M6 forums out of disk space

[Tachyon]

[my two cents]

hmmm - I thought the forums got a bit busy all of a sudden. Shall we break out the good china?

as a systems engineer and reading over your plight - since the DB shouldn't really take up that much room may the
cause of the "out of room" error is a corrupt database preventing any new entries to be made. If-so-facto ... hope
they either have a good backup or a great DBA !

[Urwumpe]

Well, the database should not be too small, i think we have around 100,000 posts in it, if each post takes about 512 Bytes on
the average, you can expect 48 MB alone for storing the posts. Thats on the limits for most inexpensive web providers AFAIK.

[skookum]

I too seem to have washed up to the remote Isle of Dansteph. Hey y'all.

[gawinnard]

How many days now that someone hasn't used the phrase "Houston, we have a problem" to describe the M6 situation :D

[Edit]
the parody of the situation is that the M6 forum is Odyssey, and Dan's Forum is Aquarius. I've got some Sqaure lithium hydroxide canisters



Post Edited ( 01-01-07 12:36 )

[DanSteph]

Perhaps somes did noticed that this site was off-line Sunday from 2am to 11 am...
dansteph.com is located on my own server as some of my other sites, this server
is physically in my provider's technicall room.

Sunday at 2am I received a mail, the mother card of the server was broken, after
149 day uptime the server was off. Some hour later they replaced the server
by a brand new, mounted the old HD on the new server and the whole server was up
again 8 hour after a major problem... Sunday 31 december.

I don't want to bash M6 as perhaps they are even not aware that there is a problem
with Orbiter's forum but I just wanted to voice my satisfaction to be hosted by OVH,
Only 8 hours downtime sunday 31 december after a major problem is what I call a good service.

Dan



Message modifié ( 01-01-2007 15:00 )

[Urwumpe]

Well, good support is sometimes expensive, don't know how its in your case. A great uptime compared to M6 anyway. I can't
even get my own PC to 99% uptime - need a new memory module, the single old one i have is corrupt. But memory prices are
pretty high currently, will have to wait for the next valley in the cycle...

If i could earn some more money, i would already have bought a server for my own tiny projects... well, studies end soon.

[DanSteph]

The server cost me about 800 euro years with all taxes. 100 Mbps connection (with 4 site I use
an average of 2-4 Mbps) illimited traffic Celeron 2.6.

Bandwidth used:



The smallest server is at 23.90 euro per month at OVH.



Not available on english website ? (the page seem old, it was last years price and offer)
http://www.ovh.com/uk/

At least it appear here on the french page: (see "serveur dedie" "kimsufi" at 19.90 euro W/o taxes)
http://www.ovh.com/fr/index.xml

Bad side is that you must manage the server, installation, upgrade, security etc etc this can be a
bit tricky but one may like that. Good side if that there is no limit at all. You can do whatewer you
want. you can rent per month also just to test and learn, so I played with the server two month
before putting the sites online.

I don't know other host I was always at OVH, maybe other are cheaper but with
OVH I'm sure about the quality of support.

Dan



Message modifié ( 01-01-2007 15:50 )

[Notebook]

DanSteph wrote:
Perhaps somes did noticed that this site was off-line Sunday from 2am to 11 am...
dansteph.com is located on my own server as some of my other sites, this server
is physically in my provider's technicall room.

Sunday at 2am I received a mail, the mother card of the server was broken, after
149 day uptime the server was off. Some hour later they replaced the server
by a brand new, mounted the old HD on the new server and the whole server was up
again 8 hour after a major problem... Sunday 31 december.

I don't want to bash M6 as perhaps they are even not aware that there is a problem
with Orbiter's forum but I just wanted to voice my satisfaction to be hosted by OVH,
Only 8 hours downtime sunday 31 december after a major problem is what I call a good service.

Dan

Yes, I did notice you had gone "Off-Air", I had a nasty feeling somebody had a vendetta against Orbiter!

Good tp see you back.

N.

[Moser]

I also noticed you were down, but no problems!

[Tachyon]

Hey .. maybe their own M6 area ? Might be easier to track M6 specific threads .... just a thought.

[Quick_Nick]

Please continue to enjoy Dan's WONDERFUL site and forums, but please take a glance at my temporary Orbiter
forums. I will use the same moderators and will try not to give myself any more power than I had before.
Orbiter temporary forums: orbitertemp.proboards102.com
I will update it soon.

[Moser]

Well, I think you created those forums in goodwill, Nick, but I think they are unneccessary. Nobody will ever learn of it
except by reading your post.

EDIT: And by the way, I find Dan's forums a welcome change from the other somewhat hostile environment. This forum is much more appealing, probably because of the smaller community.



Post Edited ( 01-02-07 04:27 )

[Quick_Nick]

I don't care about low amounts of readers, I just need SOME form of the old forums with all the forums.

[DanSteph]

Moser a écrit:
EDIT: And by the way, I find Dan's forums a welcome change from the other somewhat hostile environment. This forum is much more appealing, probably because of the smaller community.

Thanks, Moderation is strict here... there is a total free speech but
I do not accept any lack of respect or rude writting. The result is that
there is an exceptionnaly friendly ambiance wich end in french speaking
community being very active for Orbiter. Happy peoples make good
addons

M6 is perhaps to big for a good moderation or perhaps it lack
some moderators ? Don't know but I find it rude also since
some years.

Dan



Message modifié ( 02-01-2007 04:56 )

[Katahu]

Forums are a mission to handle, especially when they become very popular over the years. Let's imagine that every
new member is a small drop of water. At first the number of members coming into a fresh forum will only come in one
drop at a time. But once the forum gains a reputation, those small drops will slowly create a drizzle. Then, as the
forum because very popular, that drizzle will become a downpour. After that, you can expect a tsunami.

I have a forum of my own which is used to represent my website. It's brand new, so the number of members is limited
to currently 6 members. http://s11.invisionfree.com/FSGV_Forum/



Post Edited ( 01-02-07 07:25 )

[skookum]

I personally don't mind the change. As long as new addons are announced and developers are free to develop, it's all good.
Might be a different story for new users though. Would hate to see Orbiter fade away due to lack of exposure and accessability to help.



Post Edited ( 01-02-07 07:32 )

[Quick_Nick]

This temp forum is... well temporary. I don't think I need to worry about it going to hell.

[DanSteph]

Katahu a écrit:
Then, as the forum because very popular, that drizzle will become a downpour. After that, you can expect a tsunami.

This is why you must be firm since very start, as user list raise they get used to
what is the mood of the forum and there is some "auto moderation" A new member
feel immediattely this and most of time moderation is very easy (I banned only
two members here since 3 years, both didn't understand the basic rules of respect,
ignored completely my warning and where somewhat associal)

If you let things degrade and allow bad people to make the law it become
impossible to moderate. 4-5 bad peoples can completely destroy the mood
of a forum if they are not moderated.

My FSP forums (FsPassengers) have more than 85'000 post and a big member list that grow
every day, no problem at all with only a few moderators but we never let bad people
take the power there and the mood is good. I had howewer to ban a moderator.
Moderators should have cold blood and a high senses of justice. (no abuse of power,
understand that members have duty but also right, free speech, respect etc etc)

Problem of M6 I think is that Martin never wanted to get involved in moderation,it's his right
but without a strong mind that head the forums and the moderator team it usually degrade
quickly.

Dan



Message modifié ( 02-01-2007 07:56 )

[Katahu]

I agree. Good moderating is key to having a friendly forum. Managing a forum is like parenting. There are three types
of parenting [from what I learned in college]:

I. Permissive Parenting [ei: ]:
--- A. Parents are too nurturing and too caring.
--- B. Children become spoiled as they start taking advantage of the permissive parent.
--- C. No communication exists between parents and children.
--- D. Children grow up to be self centered.

II. Authoritarian Parenting [ei: Dictator-like Parent]:
--- A. Parent is never nurturing.
--- B. Children become depressed and start to hate the parent.
--- C. No communication exists.
--- D. Children grow up to be authoritarian as well.

III. Authoritative Parenting [ei: Fair Parent]:
--- A. Not too nurturing and not too harsh.
--- B. Children understand the parent and the parent understands the child.
--- C. High level of communication exists.
--- D. Children grow up to be civilized and understanding as well.
--- E. Parents use inductive punishment [ie: explaining the nature of the punishment and explaining how to avoid it].

From what I can understand, Dan's forum is more on the Authoritative side while the M6 forum was more on the
Permissive side. I have seen a few forums in my lifetime that were a bit in the authoritarian side.

[skookum]

Thanks again for the great forum Dansteph. I'm sure the M6 forums will be up again soon. But I'm just as certain that your
hospitality will ensure more members will be visiting here more often too.

Thank you.

[Quick_Nick]

Few questions:
Is it worth making a new topic 'advertising' this temp forum that ANYONE can make in 5 minutes?
Would anyone actually like or use this temp forum?
Would I have permission to make a new topic just on that?

[Vanguard]

Given that the very first post to the temp forums is some idiot asking to be a moderator... I think these forums will work
just fine for now

[Quick_Nick]

I think he was joking... emphasis on 'think'...



Post Edited ( 01-02-07 09:58 )

[EndeavourCmdr]

While I am sure all the intentions are good, I do not think advertising a temporary forum would be a useful thing.
Considering the only people to read it, would be people already here on this forum, I see no reason why we can't all
just congregate right here.

EndeavourCmdr

[Urwumpe]

The biggest moderation problem on M6 so far is the pretty silent moderation... you don't know which rule applied when your
posts are suddenly deleted, or where to post correctly. An offtopic discussion in a STS mission thread will get deleted
within seconds... worse stuff like personal attacks survived for longer, depending on an unknown Richter scale for how much
attacks an individual user has to accept (And M6 has no "war" forum!).

Some more transparency would have been great.