Dan's Orbiter page
Orbiter English => Orbiter English => Topic started by: Doug Beachy on 26 December 2006, 01:36:56
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Well guys, it looks like the M6 forum server is out of disk space:
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Could not load file or assembly 'Interop.ADODB' or one of its dependencies. There is not enough space on the disk.
(Exception from HRESULT: 0x80070070)
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I was on the forums about an hour ago, so it looks like it just happened...whom do we notify about this?
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Martin and radu there the admins.
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wow, again ?
Same problem ...
Dan
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One hell of a christmas gift...
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Yeah, it's even more frustrating because a "disk full" error is easily preventible. I'm hoping that Radu can delete some
old (unnecessary) files to free up some disk space -- otherwise we'll have to wait until an admin at the M6 server site
adds another hard drive...
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That'll be in about 3 years, then. Nice knowing you all ;)
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I know that it doesn't take too much disk space, but what about that profiles that were created years ago with not a single
post until today?
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Marvin wrote:
I know that it doesn't take too much disk space, but what about that profiles that were created years ago with not a
single
post until today?
I hope that happens because I made a profile but the email that they send with the pasword once you register didn't
arrive so now my profile doesn't work. The email has to arrive and I have to click on the link to validate my password
but it never arrived. :sad:
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Maybe the 2007 version upload ran out of space? ;)
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Best cleanup method would be to convert all those uncompressed images and high quality JPGs to medium quality JPG - or delete
all images older than {insert reasonable timespan here} months.
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Sunhillow wrote:
Best cleanup method would be to convert all those uncompressed images and high quality JPGs to medium quality JPG - or delete
all images older than {insert reasonable timespan here} months.
What images are you talking about?
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notebook: it's still 2006, and the downloads for Orbiter are hosted in a different physical location to the forum.
sunhillow: images aren't stored on the server, they're stored wherever the user puts 'em (which, in most
circumstances, isn't on m6).
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Yeah...the images people post take as much space as a single line of text would.
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It seem it's the forum database that ran out of space, only text of post and index and setting of forum.
Dan
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Yes, I've had this problem the whole day too.
I have informed the administrators Radu and Martin, for the case they haven't noticed the problem yet.
regards,
mcduck
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Well, its christmas...a good time for such problems ;)
I think they only need to delete some log files, and they are back into business.
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HA! The day after my own computer dies! What a Christmas indeed.
*Just remember that computers and servers aren't the reason for the season.
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Now it's up again!
[EDIT:] down again
Post Edited ( 12-28-06 11:22 )
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Marvin wrote:
Now it's up again!
Lol at last! I was getting a panic attack. :badsmile:
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Well folks, the problem is back with a vengeance: :rant:
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Could not load file or assembly 'Interop.ADODB' or one of its dependencies. There is not enough space on the
disk. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80070070)
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At least Dan's forum here is still up. :)
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RAAAAWWRG!!! :wall:
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Agaaaaaainnnnn....!? 8o
Recall me two years ago when there was several problem someone
was talking about "I'm Sick" instead of "m6" :)
Dansteph.com run on it's own server and have a uptime of 99.99%
(up without reboot yet 156 days, last reboot was for update)
Dan
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willy88 wrote:
RAAAAWWRG!!! :wall:
:wall: :wall: :wall:
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Excuse me
*banging metal is heard
*comes back with horizontally pancaked head
those weights were lighter than I remember
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This makes me feel very depressed...
and: :worry::worry::worry::bug:
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:sunk: :sunk: :sunk:
What ever causes the problem, it is annoying...
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Simonpro wrote:
notebook: it's still 2006, and the downloads for Orbiter are hosted in a different physical location to the forum.
sunhillow: images aren't stored on the server, they're stored wherever the user puts 'em (which, in most
circumstances, isn't on m6).
That 2007 upload must be a big one!
;)
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Orbiter Fan wrote:
willy88 wrote:
RAAAAWWRG!!! :wall:
:wall: :wall: :wall:
Yes you can say that!
Notebook wrote:
That 2007 upload must be a big one!
;)
Hmm yes and they have been busy uploading it for the last few days.....
Uploading time was probably calculated: The transfer will be completed in 4 days (2007)....
Due to the size they even used the forum server! ;)
regards
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Whoever said there was going to be a 2007 version? ;)
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:bug: This bug leaves a bad taste in my mouth :prout: I hope this gets sorted out!
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I think the problem is the new Level 15 texture set with ROAM terrain data. The 30 GB of terrain data alone need a new
webserver. ;)
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Why do you think Martin's been so quiet lately? He's been out and about with his camera taking photos of the
ground. He discovered that the new L15 textures are more accurate than the best satellite images...
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Simonpro wrote:
Whoever said there was going to be a 2007 version? ;)
Wishfull thinking...., and a Happy New Year to all.
;)
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Simonpro wrote:
Why do you think Martin's been so quiet lately? He's been out and about with his camera taking photos of the
ground. He discovered that the new L15 textures are more accurate than the best satellite images...
Yes, I've seen him running and taking photos of the ground here too. I noticed he really gets in detail at some places,
by using a macro lens.
But it takes a lot of time though. He explained that, to save some time, each image is being beamed right to the Orbiter
(forum) server directly after he takes the picture.
In theory, we could see ants at some places on the ground in the next Orbiter.
Post Edited ( 12-28-06 15:19 )
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Well, and don't forget the new damage effects. Now, the DG Mk5 will not only explode when you look to hard at it, you can
even smell a bad reentry while your GPU is melting under the task of rendering the new flames with multiple light sources.
And even more important: Mikrometeorites can randomly make your mission fail. But you can reduce the debris chance by
donating money for a new orbiter webserver. ;)
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Urwumpe wrote:
Well, and don't forget the new damage effects. Now, the DG Mk5 will not only explode when you look to hard at it,
you can
even smell a bad reentry while your GPU is melting under the task of rendering the new flames with multiple light
sources.
And even more important: Mikrometeorites can randomly make your mission fail. But you can reduce the debris
chance by
donating money for a new orbiter webserver. ;)
LOL!!!!!! :sunk:
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You know, this is getting rather annoying. First, the forums get back up, then the forums go down. When will it all
end?
By the way, Hello! I'm new to the forums.
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Katahu wrote:
When will it all end?
It will end when we obtained contact with the forum administrators, to notify them of the problem.
The problem is that we currently have only 2 forum administrators on the (M6) forum, and they are often both very busy, and
have not much time for the forum itself.
When they are aware of the problem, they could create some more space in the database, so it can be stable for an extended
period of time (if the cause of the problem is that simple).
Of course I could be wrong, and one of them might be working on the (maybe far more complex) problem already.
best regards,
mcduck
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This happened I think last year or 2 years ago of the same part of the month. it might be just a yearly update:wonder:
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Sorry to see it happen during the Holiday Season
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McDuck wrote:
Simonpro wrote:
Why do you think Martin's been so quiet lately? He's been out and about with his camera taking photos of the
ground. He discovered that the new L15 textures are more accurate than the best satellite images...
Yes, I've seen him running and taking photos of the ground here too. I noticed he really gets in detail at some places,
by using a macro lens.
But it takes a lot of time though. He explained that, to save some time, each image is being beamed right to the Orbiter
(forum) server directly after he takes the picture.
In theory, we could see ants at some places on the ground in the next Orbiter.
You sure it was him? Last I heard he was trying to negotiate a deal to strap a webcam on the bottom of Santa's sleigh. Maybe
you don't live along his route ;)
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Man when will it come back up its been atleast 2 days do the admins even know?
:wonder::wonder:
Post Edited ( 12-29-06 23:42 )
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NBH wrote:
Man when will it come back up its been atleast 2 days do the admins even know?
:wonder::wonder:
Both McDuck have e-mailed Radu and a couple of hours ago I sent an e-mail to both Martin and Radu about it. I
wouldn't be suprised if we had to wait until after the weekend before the problem would be fixed.
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Orbiter Fan wrote:
Both McDuck have e-mailed Radu and a couple of hours ago I sent an e-mail to both Martin and Radu about it. I
wouldn't be suprised if we had to wait until after the weekend before the problem would be fixed.
Man that would stink if we would have to wait for another weekend, why can't they delete very old posts an old
profiles.
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NBH wrote:
Orbiter Fan wrote:
Both McDuck have e-mailed Radu and a couple of hours ago I sent an e-mail to both Martin and Radu about it. I
wouldn't be suprised if we had to wait until after the weekend before the problem would be fixed.
Man that would stink if we would have to wait for another weekend, why can't they delete very old posts an old
profiles.
The main problem here is the very question "Is the admins aware of the problem(s)?". Neither McDuck or I are sure
on whether Radu has received our alert e-mails and tonight was the first time at least I have sent an e-mail to Martin
about it.
If they're not aware of the problem, how can they fix it in the first place? So our(at least mine!) main concern is with
the inability to contact the admins when problems with the forum appear.
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As I see it they have a size limit for the forum database and it is now reached.
This would be a work for peoples at M6 that should increase this limit
deleting old post is not a good practise, how much archive would be gone
and also in two month it will be the same problem.
Now did they try to contact M6 ? don't know...
Dan
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DanSteph wrote:
As I see it they have a size limit for the forum database and it is now reached.
This would be a work for peoples at M6 that should increase this limit
deleting old post is not a good practise, how much archive would be gone
and also in two month it will be the same problem.
Now did they try to contact M6 ? don't know...
Dan
If you mean Radu or Martin, well then I have no answer as neither I or McDuck has gotten any reply(ies) back from
either Radu or Martin. I guess we'll have to wait until the holidays in are over(they should be starting next week) to
see any actions.
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Perhaps contacting support at M6 ? I mean, Orbiter is advertisment for them
as they give this space for free, but a forum that get hundred visitor/day and
that is down during several day is not what I call a good publicity...
Dan
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Our best bet is to simply upgrade the amount space and bandwidth for the M6 forum, which will cost money. This is, in
my opinion, the best option as it benefits everyone. However, over time, we'll encounter the same problem again as
that extra space get's filled with more posts. So basically, the problem we have is inevitable.
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Space unlike bandwith cost almost nothing yet and here it's space related...
Even free hosting yet start to give huge disk and database space. (but they limit a lot bandwith)
Dan
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I got a dumb question. Has anyone bothered to use the mailing list provided at the main Orbiter site?
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Katahu wrote:
I got a dumb question. Has anyone bothered to use the mailing list provided at the main Orbiter site?
The last message here is from november of this year.
It's strange to see it run out of space, on my site a database of 5200 forum posts and 65000 chat records occupyes
only 8Mb.
Even rough approximation gives us about 200Mb for the 113000 posts on Orbiter forum.
Anything else that could grab several Gb's of space?
And both admins may be sitting under new year trees in their countryhouses right now, so just forget the forum
existed for a couple of weeks, and have a merry holydays!
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Artlav wrote:
And both admins may be sitting under new year trees in their countryhouses right now, so just forget the forum
existed for a couple of weeks, and have a merry holydays!
I suspect this is the case. This problem just happened to come at the worst possible time imaginable.
I'm quite certain that contact with the admins will be restored midweek next week. Heck, even KSC is shut-
down. "Pegasus", the External Tank transportation barge arrived at KSC on the 27th with ET-124 and it still remains
onboard "Pegasus" because there's no-one at KSC that can unload it and transport it into the Vehicle Assembly
Building.
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To my knowledge MArtin is at home and Radu is a bit too busy to be contacted. I'm quite enjoying not having the
other forum active, it's the first time in a year I havn't had a couple of the small minded fools from over there
constantly emailing me abuse ;)
I'm sure it'll be fixed on wednesday anyway, new year is possibly the worst time for anything to break.
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DanSteph wrote:
Perhaps contacting support at M6 ? I mean, Orbiter is advertisment for them
as they give this space for free, but a forum that get hundred visitor/day and
that is down during several day is not what I call a good publicity...
Dan
As we have still no reply from Martin or Radu, most likely because of the holydays, I have contacted M6 support to see if
they can do anything.
best regards,
mcduck
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I hope it is nothing to do with the small unpleasantness that happened last month?
N.
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I doubt it, even I could've (probably) figured out how to get into orbithangar through a certain person's account. But I
suppose it is vauely possible thqt someone with way too much free time and way too little in the way of braincells
could've used their time to fill up the m6 disk space.
The question is: With what?:turning:
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More Saturnalia?
;)
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Notebook a écrit:
More Saturnalia?
;)
No, i suspect the he made the forum log exceed the limits with failed log in attempts. ;)
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still two day and it's gonna be one hell of a new year's gift...
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Lol after the death of M6, everybody is heading to Dan's forum. :)
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So this is where everyone's at! :)
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The two questions:
Do the admins know?
and
Is the problem more complex than we think?
Since we can't do anything, I say, politely of course, SHUT UP until it gets fixed or the problem is told by someone who
knows for sure...:blbl:
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We don't know if the admins even know it yet or at all.
Post Edited ( 12-31-06 00:33 )
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Why must you copy what I post NBH?
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Once they realize it, it will more then likely be fixed.
In the meantime though. I'm sure Dan doesn't mind the extra company right here.. hehe.
EndeavourCmdr.
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EndeavourCmdr a écrit:
In the meantime though. I'm sure Dan doesn't mind the extra company right here.. hehe.
EndeavourCmdr.
No probs, forums are meant to be used...
It's just lacking... some beers here... no ?
:beer:
Dan
Message modifié ( 31-12-2006 00:37 )
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Where can we donate beer, wine, whiskey, <enter your poison here> for the forum new year? The forum only has the only "add
image" option :)
if I don't post later Happy New year to you all, and spare a thought for people like me working over 12 hour shifts :drink:
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Just when we were going to have a major breakthrough with the Default shuttle.:prout:
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fitted the heated seats, windscreen wipers, CD/MP3 player and most importantly coffee mug holders?
Seriously, is it the kinematics arm function by kwan3217?
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That, and the bay cameras from Panchi.
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We are all over here at Dan's like some refugees after a hurricane. "President Bush hates all Orbiters"
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We will provide you drink, food and a roof for this night :)
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Feels like the Aerodome around here. It's all crowded. :pfff:
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Hey, step off my toe...
Its really a bit crowded here. I think i go out launching some rockets later that day...
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[my two cents]
hmmm - I thought the forums got a bit busy all of a sudden. Shall we break out the good china?
as a systems engineer and reading over your plight - since the DB shouldn't really take up that much room may the
cause of the "out of room" error is a corrupt database preventing any new entries to be made. If-so-facto ... hope
they either have a good backup or a great DBA !
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Well, the database should not be too small, i think we have around 100,000 posts in it, if each post takes about 512 Bytes on
the average, you can expect 48 MB alone for storing the posts. Thats on the limits for most inexpensive web providers AFAIK.
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I too seem to have washed up to the remote Isle of Dansteph. Hey y'all.
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How many days now that someone hasn't used the phrase "Houston, we have a problem" to describe the M6 situation :D
[Edit]
the parody of the situation is that the M6 forum is Odyssey, and Dan's Forum is Aquarius. I've got some Sqaure lithium hydroxide canisters ;)
Post Edited ( 01-01-07 12:36 )
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Perhaps somes did noticed that this site was off-line Sunday from 2am to 11 am...
dansteph.com is located on my own server as some of my other sites, this server
is physically in my provider's technicall room.
Sunday at 2am I received a mail, the mother card of the server was broken, after
149 day uptime the server was off. Some hour later they replaced the server
by a brand new, mounted the old HD on the new server and the whole server was up
again 8 hour after a major problem... Sunday 31 december.
I don't want to bash M6 as perhaps they are even not aware that there is a problem
with Orbiter's forum but I just wanted to voice my satisfaction to be hosted by OVH,
Only 8 hours downtime sunday 31 december after a major problem is what I call a good service.
Dan
Message modifié ( 01-01-2007 15:00 )
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Well, good support is sometimes expensive, don't know how its in your case. A great uptime compared to M6 anyway. I can't
even get my own PC to 99% uptime - need a new memory module, the single old one i have is corrupt. But memory prices are
pretty high currently, will have to wait for the next valley in the cycle...
If i could earn some more money, i would already have bought a server for my own tiny projects... well, studies end soon.
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The server cost me about 800 euro years with all taxes. 100 Mbps connection (with 4 site I use
an average of 2-4 Mbps) illimited traffic Celeron 2.6.
Bandwidth used:
(http://orbiter.dansteph.com/screenshot/dansteph/OvhWeek.jpg)
The smallest server is at 23.90 euro per month at OVH.
(http://www.kimsufi.com/fr/themes/default/images/blue/server.png)
Not available on english website ? (the page seem old, it was last years price and offer)
http://www.ovh.com/uk/
At least it appear here on the french page: (see "serveur dedie" "kimsufi" at 19.90 euro W/o taxes)
http://www.ovh.com/fr/index.xml
Bad side is that you must manage the server, installation, upgrade, security etc etc this can be a
bit tricky but one may like that. Good side if that there is no limit at all. You can do whatewer you
want. you can rent per month also just to test and learn, so I played with the server two month
before putting the sites online.
I don't know other host I was always at OVH, maybe other are cheaper but with
OVH I'm sure about the quality of support.
Dan
Message modifié ( 01-01-2007 15:50 )
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DanSteph wrote:
Perhaps somes did noticed that this site was off-line Sunday from 2am to 11 am...
dansteph.com is located on my own server as some of my other sites, this server
is physically in my provider's technicall room.
Sunday at 2am I received a mail, the mother card of the server was broken, after
149 day uptime the server was off. Some hour later they replaced the server
by a brand new, mounted the old HD on the new server and the whole server was up
again 8 hour after a major problem... Sunday 31 december.
I don't want to bash M6 as perhaps they are even not aware that there is a problem
with Orbiter's forum but I just wanted to voice my satisfaction to be hosted by OVH,
Only 8 hours downtime sunday 31 december after a major problem is what I call a good service.
Dan
Yes, I did notice you had gone "Off-Air", I had a nasty feeling somebody had a vendetta against Orbiter!
Good tp see you back.
N.
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I also noticed you were down, but no problems!
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Hey .. maybe their own M6 area ? Might be easier to track M6 specific threads .... just a thought.
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Please continue to enjoy Dan's WONDERFUL site and forums, but please take a glance at my temporary Orbiter
forums. I will use the same moderators and will try not to give myself any more power than I had before.
Orbiter temporary forums: orbitertemp.proboards102.com
I will update it soon.
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Well, I think you created those forums in goodwill, Nick, but I think they are unneccessary. Nobody will ever learn of it
except by reading your post.
EDIT: And by the way, I find Dan's forums a welcome change from the other somewhat hostile environment. This forum is much more appealing, probably because of the smaller community.
Post Edited ( 01-02-07 04:27 )
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I don't care about low amounts of readers, I just need SOME form of the old forums with all the forums.
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Moser a écrit:
EDIT: And by the way, I find Dan's forums a welcome change from the other somewhat hostile environment. This forum is much more appealing, probably because of the smaller community.
Thanks, Moderation is strict here... there is a total free speech but
I do not accept any lack of respect or rude writting. The result is that
there is an exceptionnaly friendly ambiance wich end in french speaking
community being very active for Orbiter. Happy peoples make good
addons :)
M6 is perhaps to big for a good moderation or perhaps it lack
some moderators ? Don't know but I find it rude also since
some years.
Dan
Message modifié ( 02-01-2007 04:56 )
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Forums are a mission to handle, especially when they become very popular over the years. Let's imagine that every
new member is a small drop of water. At first the number of members coming into a fresh forum will only come in one
drop at a time. But once the forum gains a reputation, those small drops will slowly create a drizzle. Then, as the
forum because very popular, that drizzle will become a downpour. After that, you can expect a tsunami.
I have a forum of my own which is used to represent my website. It's brand new, so the number of members is limited
to currently 6 members. http://s11.invisionfree.com/FSGV_Forum/
Post Edited ( 01-02-07 07:25 )
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I personally don't mind the change. As long as new addons are announced and developers are free to develop, it's all good.
Might be a different story for new users though. Would hate to see Orbiter fade away due to lack of exposure and accessability to help.
Post Edited ( 01-02-07 07:32 )
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This temp forum is... well temporary. I don't think I need to worry about it going to hell.
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Katahu a écrit:
Then, as the forum because very popular, that drizzle will become a downpour. After that, you can expect a tsunami.
This is why you must be firm since very start, as user list raise they get used to
what is the mood of the forum and there is some "auto moderation" A new member
feel immediattely this and most of time moderation is very easy (I banned only
two members here since 3 years, both didn't understand the basic rules of respect,
ignored completely my warning and where somewhat associal)
If you let things degrade and allow bad people to make the law it become
impossible to moderate. 4-5 bad peoples can completely destroy the mood
of a forum if they are not moderated.
My FSP forums (FsPassengers) have more than 85'000 post and a big member list that grow
every day, no problem at all with only a few moderators but we never let bad people
take the power there and the mood is good. I had howewer to ban a moderator.
Moderators should have cold blood and a high senses of justice. (no abuse of power,
understand that members have duty but also right, free speech, respect etc etc)
Problem of M6 I think is that Martin never wanted to get involved in moderation,it's his right
but without a strong mind that head the forums and the moderator team it usually degrade
quickly.
Dan
Message modifié ( 02-01-2007 07:56 )
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I agree. Good moderating is key to having a friendly forum. Managing a forum is like parenting. There are three types
of parenting [from what I learned in college]:
I. Permissive Parenting [ei: ]:
--- A. Parents are too nurturing and too caring.
--- B. Children become spoiled as they start taking advantage of the permissive parent.
--- C. No communication exists between parents and children.
--- D. Children grow up to be self centered.
II. Authoritarian Parenting [ei: Dictator-like Parent]:
--- A. Parent is never nurturing.
--- B. Children become depressed and start to hate the parent.
--- C. No communication exists.
--- D. Children grow up to be authoritarian as well.
III. Authoritative Parenting [ei: Fair Parent]:
--- A. Not too nurturing and not too harsh.
--- B. Children understand the parent and the parent understands the child.
--- C. High level of communication exists.
--- D. Children grow up to be civilized and understanding as well.
--- E. Parents use inductive punishment [ie: explaining the nature of the punishment and explaining how to avoid it].
From what I can understand, Dan's forum is more on the Authoritative side while the M6 forum was more on the
Permissive side. I have seen a few forums in my lifetime that were a bit in the authoritarian side.
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Thanks again for the great forum Dansteph. I'm sure the M6 forums will be up again soon. But I'm just as certain that your
hospitality will ensure more members will be visiting here more often too.
Thank you.
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Few questions:
Is it worth making a new topic 'advertising' this temp forum that ANYONE can make in 5 minutes?
Would anyone actually like or use this temp forum?
Would I have permission to make a new topic just on that?
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Given that the very first post to the temp forums is some idiot asking to be a moderator... I think these forums will work
just fine for now ;)
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I think he was joking... emphasis on 'think'...
Post Edited ( 01-02-07 09:58 )
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While I am sure all the intentions are good, I do not think advertising a temporary forum would be a useful thing.
Considering the only people to read it, would be people already here on this forum, I see no reason why we can't all
just congregate right here.
EndeavourCmdr
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The biggest moderation problem on M6 so far is the pretty silent moderation... you don't know which rule applied when your
posts are suddenly deleted, or where to post correctly. An offtopic discussion in a STS mission thread will get deleted
within seconds... worse stuff like personal attacks survived for longer, depending on an unknown Richter scale for how much
attacks an individual user has to accept (And M6 has no "war" forum!).
Some more transparency would have been great.
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A war forum would be nice, Urwumpe and I could rant all day about, well, everything :)
I do agree that the m6 moderation is a little invisible. It's not that it doesn't happen, it's just that no one sees it
happening. And that tends to piss people off (well, okay - it pisses me off), it'd be much better if m6 tried a little of
the 'fair parenting' thing, and explain why posts were deleted etc. It gets very confusing trying to find a post you
made and then discovering 10 minutes later that it was deleted.
Anyway, we're on here - not m6 and it's much nicer here. I don't recall ever having an argument with anyone here
(apart from Freespace, but that was good natured), whereas I'd happily argue all day on m6 ;)
So, nice work on making such a pleasant forum, dan.
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Urwumpe a écrit:
The biggest moderation problem on M6 so far is the pretty silent moderation... you don't know which rule applied when your
posts are suddenly deleted, or where to post correctly.
When a topic is being moved to another part of the forum, the poster notices this directly so no personal notification is
needed in that case.
However (for me), when I actually delete a topic, or more likely, move it to an inaccessible part of the forum, the user will
be PM'ed, so he knows where his topic has gone.
Maybe the problem is that other moderators are deleting populated threads without notification, so maybe it is indeed a good
idea to make the rules for moderators more clear on M6, so this problem will be solved.
As for where to to post: yes, this is a problem on M6! The forum section layout (sub forums, etc.) isn't very good/clear at
the moment, and therefore I proposed a new section layout. However, I haven't had any feedback on this yet (and with the
downtime this will take even longer).
regards,
mcduck
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Well, actually I think the problem is that the mods don't know where stuff goes. I've seen a good few perfectly good
space news posts moved into OT simply because they're not directly related to a manned space programme.
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Public notification is important I think for a good moderation. Personnaly I really insist
thast post must be edited by moderators, offending word removed and/or with an
explainaition in blue bold and the tag [MODERATOR] why the post was moderated
or what is wrong in the post. No silent delete or moving.
As police I think moderation action should be publicly visible so others members
know what's happening and where are the limits.
Again if there is no boss that manage the team it's hard to have a consistent
moderator team.
Dan
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DanSteph wrote:
Public notification is important I think for a good moderation. Personnaly I really insist
thast post must be edited by moderators, offending word removed and/or with an
explainaition in blue bold and the tag [MODERATOR] why the post was moderated
or what is wrong in the post. No silent delete or moving.
Dan
I agree with this statement completely! It not only is confusing and frustrating if posts are deleted/modified without
notification/explanation - it can also create bad feelings, and that's not good for building a friendly, thriving
community.
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I've been reading posts on the M6, Orbiter forum for 2 years now. I'm not even a member. I just read all the topics posted
and watch the moderators slap the new people around. After what they did to Angry Astronaut I decided to never join, or
post. I just read. It's safer that way. I come over to Dan's site because it seems friendlier over here and Dan seems
approachable, and he only jumps on a person if they do something out-right stupid, but over all, he lets everyone say what
they need to say. It's very rare that problems erupt here.
.
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Well, from my experience as admin or chat moderator, its really helpful to declare a publically visible "liaison moderator"
for all other moderators or admins. This person does not get extra priviledges (except maybe one beer more on the next
convention), but acts as a contact person between other moderators and the next higher level (eg, admin team). Most forum
admins i know have not much time for their own forum (thats why they have moderators), so having a person which keeps the
moderator team together is really useful - communication is not a naturally given trait, it has to be trained and
maintained.
(And as far as i know, every larger military unit does also have its surface-to-air liaison officer, which from my experience
does have a huge effect on the unit, though he does usually not fight...)
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Katahu wrote:
I agree. Good moderating is key to having a friendly forum. Managing a forum is like parenting. There are three types
of parenting [from what I learned in college]:
I. Permissive Parenting [ei: ]:
--- A. Parents are too nurturing and too caring.
--- B. Children become spoiled as they start taking advantage of the permissive parent.
--- C. No communication exists between parents and children.
--- D. Children grow up to be self centered.
II. Authoritarian Parenting [ei: Dictator-like Parent]:
--- A. Parent is never nurturing.
--- B. Children become depressed and start to hate the parent.
--- C. No communication exists.
--- D. Children grow up to be authoritarian as well.
III. Authoritative Parenting [ei: Fair Parent]:
--- A. Not too nurturing and not too harsh.
--- B. Children understand the parent and the parent understands the child.
--- C. High level of communication exists.
--- D. Children grow up to be civilized and understanding as well.
--- E. Parents use inductive punishment [ie: explaining the nature of the punishment and explaining how to avoid it].
From what I can understand, Dan's forum is more on the Authoritative side while the M6 forum was more on the
Permissive side. I have seen a few forums in my lifetime that were a bit in the authoritarian side.
I so disgree with this statement. M6 is completely authoritative. From what i've seen the only people that have any
sort of
freedom on M6 is Martin, the moderators, and most of the add-on makers. Everyone else get's slapped.
I place Dan's site in the catagory of fair parenting. He only induges in the smack down to people who really deserve
it. Most
of the time Dan's site is smooth sailing and everyone gets a say with no problems and no flame wars.
I hope you M6 people [ADMIN] Offending sentence removed ! see below
Post Edited ( 01-02-07 18:28 )
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Genesis a écrit:
I hope you M6 people [ADMIN] Offending sentence removed ! see below
Oh...sorry...
*restarts the M6 server*
:help:
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Genesis a écrit:
I hope you M6 people... [ADMIN] removed !
This is exactly what I dislike, First you name a category of people: nationality, member of
this or that then you judge them all in a negative manner. This is exactly what start flameware,
offend peoples, split them in category and create a bad mood beetween them.
I never saw any member of M6 doing bad things here and I'm also member of M6.
Please, really, cool down and stay friendly and positive with peoples.
Thanks
Dan
Message modifié ( 02-01-2007 19:53 )
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DanSteph wrote:
Genesis a écrit:
I hope you M6 people... [ADMIN] removed !
This is exactly what I dislike, First you name a category of people: nationality, member of
this or that then you judge them all in a negative manner. This is exactly what start flameware,
offend peoples, split them in category and create a bad mood beetween them.
I never saw any member of M6 doing bad things here and I'm also member of M6.
Please, really, cool down and stay friendly and positive with peoples.
Thanks
Dan
I didn't exactly judge them, but that last line I added must have really struck a nerve with that other poster in order for
you to delete it. Dan, the last thing I want on this earth is to have you mad at me. I simply didn't want those guys
coming over here and calling this forum authoritative when it's their forum that's all authoritative not ours, but this is
your site so I'll follow your rules.
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Hi,
The only place fights start is in an open topic forum. Open topics are both good in that we can go at each other on
issues not related to the site and bad in that they attract trolls. In my opinion all topics should be heavily moderated
except an open topic one. The best approach is not having an Open Topic section. As far as M6 is concerned I´m not a
fan of the way the Add-on forum is setup. I think there should be Add-on Announcements, Add-on Discussion, Add-on
Bugs, Add-on Modeling and SDK sections. Each one should have a sticky explaining what they are for. I think the
General Orbiter section should have a User Questions section where users can as questions and not get a RTFM
answer. Some sort of FAQ section might also be good. I guess I´m looking for something like the way many flight
simulator forums are setup.
Later,
Jon
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For the FAQ, we also have the wiki...
http://www.orbiterwiki.org/wiki/FAQ
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The temp forum organizes things a little more. I haven't seen but one addon announced other than the DGIV. Well... I
guess that's more because there are still a lot of people who haven't switched to these forums yet. I guess it would
not be useful to 'advertise.' I guess Dan's forums are still pretty much working. :)
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Yeah but will the M6 fourm ever work!
Post Edited ( 01-02-07 22:23 )
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Genesis a écrit:
I simply didn't want those guys coming over here and calling this forum authoritative when it's their forum that's all
authoritative not ours, but this is your site so I'll follow your rules.
I took the "authoritative" (fair parent) part as a compliment, so wasn't a problem for me.
Genesis a écrit:
Dan, the last thing I want on this earth is to have you mad at me.
No problems, I judge every post without consideration of author (unless the author do
constant bad things of course, I'm humain after all) I just wanted to remove a cause
of trouble before everyone goes angry and things goes out of control.
NBH a écrit:
Yeah but will the M6 fourm ever work!
Sure it will, it's simlpy a bit long... holliday, end of years...
Dan
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The problem with the OrbiterWiki is that no one ever notices it. How many people actually read the useful links part of
the Orbiter website? (Not many I guess, after all - that page mentiones Orbitersound and there's still lots of people
asking where to find it :))
I think a lot of the more petty arguments on m6 could be solved simply by more people reading the wiki. I know I'm
guitly of that a few times, and I imagine a few others are too.
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Maybe someone hasn't paid the M6 bills... kidding. :P
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Well its getting better with the wiki... at least some people started correcting the typos in it in the last weeks, so i am
no longer the only one reading it. ;)
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Doc, orbiterwiki, read-me, FAQ, forums, all answers are here. I'm affraid there will always be peoples that don't read them, jump on the sim and ask questions before reading anything. That's what a community is made for also ;)
Anyway all above are usefull because there is a lot of silent people that read them
and never ask questions also. My Orbiter introduction for french reader made 34'000 hits
and there is not 34'000 members on french forum ;)
http://orbiter.dansteph.com/index.php?disp=bienvenu
Dan
Message modifié ( 03-01-2007 00:35 )
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Its back up guys!!
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Off again... "Service Unavailable"
At least it seem they are working on it...
Dan
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Works for me.
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Yep rework also... I hope we'll have an explaination why it was down all this time...
it's a bit frustrating to not know...
Dan
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DanSteph wrote:
Yep rework also... I hope we'll have an explaination why it was down all this time...
it's a bit frustrating to not know...
Dan
What do do you mean by "rework"? I don't see anything whatsoever different from prior to the downtime.
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OK, good news: M6 is back up!
Let's hope it stays up this time. :)
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Just for the record, don't confuse "authoritative" with "authoritarian". I outlined the difference clearly in my last
post. ;)
Oh, and I'm sorry if I offended one of you on my last post. If you read closely, you can see that I said "from what I
understand". Thus indicating that I'm not much of a regular in that forum so please forgive me for my ignorance as I
don't know the M6 forum very well.
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Orbiter Fan a écrit:
What do do you mean by "rework"? I don't see anything whatsoever different from prior to the downtime.
Sorry might be a bad translation from french "re-marche". It work again if you preffer.
Dan
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Up for me too. See you there =)
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Woo!!! I gotta see for myself. And get rid of those (insert insult here) temp forums.
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Thank you very much for having us all on board Dan.
I really do respect the way you have managed your forum.
It is a major accomplishment to be proud of.
Rich
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What caused the lack of disk space on M6 was not the actual database (which is only ~ 100+ MB), but the database
transaction log which was not cleared since a few years (and this was several GB large).
I was unable to clean the log as my access permisions prevent me from from doing so , so we had to have someone
at M6 backup the DB and push up for more disk space.
Forum is back online now and we should not have any log problems for another couple of years :)
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Finally.
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Thank you for your work Radu, I appreciate it, and thank you for putting up with all the extra people Dan. I hope
we've all behaved ourselves ;)
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Radu094 a écrit:
What caused the lack of disk space on M6 was not the actual database (which is only ~ 100+ MB), but the database
Great, many thanks to keep us informed.
And happy new year by the way :gift:
Dan