DGIV BETA version has EXPIRED message

[DanSteph]

Sorry, bad timing , I thought I would have time to make a final before sunday
and it's not the case, my wife offered us three days hollidays and it was
magnific.

Anyway nothing is disabled, you'll just have this message
while waiting the next beta or final.

Please find here a DeltaGliderIV.dll that is "valid" until end of month
http://www.dansteph.com/publie/DeltaGliderIV_Beta20070523.zip

Unzip in "modules" folder of orbiter and reply yes to "replace y/n" question.

Dan





Message modifié ( 23-05-2007 18:44 )

[MattNW]

Now that's a nice view. Makes a great desktop background too.

[woo482]

can I get rid of the messsindge

[DanSteph]

See above, I posted a dll that is "valid" until end of month.

Thanks

Dan

[woo482]

thanks

[CAPFLIGHT F-18]

it says i need a password.

[DanSteph]

try to use an unzip program that work really.

Dan

[Evan]

No it says It says that the original file is password protected and it cannot be replaced without a password. I am
using winzip.

[DanSteph]

The original dll is password protected ? 8o

Sorry I don't understand at all what you mean, this zip was downloaded
140 time, you're the only one to report that, the zip is as all other zip
that I make since years not password protected and the dll is not
also password protected (how would I do that?)

What may happen is that for whatewer reason the dll have the archive
or hidden flags set in your installation ?

Right click on DeltaGliderIV.dll file ->properties uncheck "archive" and "hidden" in this case.

Or are you trying to replace the dll in the zip with the file that is on your disk ? 8o

Let me know

Dan



Message modifié ( 21-05-2007 00:47 )

[Evan]

huh...tried it again and it worked... Guess something went funky. Anyway dan while I have your attention I don't
know if this is something to be fixed but the gear could be strengthened becasue I have been playing around with
taking off on other celestial bodies and on Venus the gear breaks before I am off the ground, although the ship will
take off which surpirsed me. I haven't had poblems elsewhere as of yet, But I will let you know. If anything maybe
just strengthen the gear a little.

[DanSteph]

Sorry no, gear are realisticly strenght, you must take care of
dyn pressure before deploying them on venus. Part of the interest
of DGIV: things you do really Matter !

Else I might rename DGIV "falcon millenium" so you can go trought
any atmosphere at light speed with gear and all door opened.

Dan

[Evan]

Lol. No what I was saying was that I used the scenario editer to put me on Venus and when i try to take off (Using
your autopilot ) Before I achieve liftoff the gear fails and I get the reduce speed or retract message. So it is
impossble for the DGIV to achieve liftoff on mars without the gear failing.

[Evan]

Unless you first use hover engines, retract gear and then initiate auto pilot.

[DanSteph]

Evan a écrit:
Lol. No what I was saying was that I used the scenario editer to put me on Venus and when i try to take off
(Using  your autopilot ) Before I achieve liftoff the gear fails and I get the reduce speed or retract message. So it is
impossble for the DGIV to achieve liftoff on mars without the gear failing.

then the allmighty pilot must take care of this make some brain thinking,
modify procedure accordingly to the situation and not ask the constructor
for laser shield , warp drive or atomic missiles (in case mountains hide the view)

Venus or Mars ? different problems, differents solutions.

Dan



Message modifié ( 21-05-2007 01:37 )

[Evan]

:P Sorry I meant venus. On both accounts. But don't you think that the DGIV should be capable of a horizontal liftoff
without breaking anything? Because Venus is one of the places NASA is exploring. And eventually send humans. The
DG is after all a "Futuristic" ship. I just think that the gear should be able to withstand the extreme forces of venus.
Now if you will excuse me I am taking a DG to the sun and using your atomic missiles to destroy the galaxy.

[DanSteph]

Evan a écrit:
:P Sorry I meant venus. On both accounts. But don't you think that the DGIV should be capable of a horizontal liftoff
without breaking anything?

Certainly not on venus and not using a earth autopilot.
And nasa is not anywhere near to send humains to venus
where the average surface temperature and pressure are
approximately 750°K and 90 atmospheres. (Tried to swim in glue in fusion ?)

they have enoug problem to send them to Mars where there is a friendly
 -63° C (-81° F) and 0.007 Bars.

On mars lift off speed would be so high that I doubt they will either construct
landing pad of 50 km long or make wheel enough solid (weight) for such
take-off at about mach 3.

Dan



Message modifié ( 21-05-2007 02:04 )

[Orbiter Fan]

Evan wrote:Because Venus is one of the places NASA is exploring. And eventually send humans.

Very very wrong! There hasn't been a NASA mission to Venus since 1989 when Magellan was launched to Venus. And
NASA has zero interest in Venus.

You might be confusing Venus with either Mars or the Moon. Those two are high priority targets for NASA. Venus isn't.

[Evan]

NASA is intrested in venus. My mom's friend's dad works at houston. Just because they haven't had a mission there
lately does not mean there are not intrested in it. And even if they weren't you could be nicer then 'Very Very Wrong"

Also the autopilot adjusts depeding on the celestial bodie, at least for me it worked on several moons I haven't
waited to get all the way into Venus's orbit because it takes to lone but it adjusts depending on where I am lifting off.

[MattNW]

NASA is interested in all the planets of course but Venus is a killer of space ships. It has huge extremes of temperatures
and an atmosphere that would crush or corrode anything but the most solid built space craft.

The reason you have gear failure is because of the atmosphere density (remember the dynamic pressure limits). The DGIV gear
gets ripped off before you reach rotation speed. In reality anything like the DGIV which can take off and land on Earth
wouldn't last long on Venus and if it did it's questionable that it could generate enough thrust against the Venus atmosphere
to even move it'self. If the ship structure was strong enough to last on Venus it would be too heavy to operate well on
Earth. Dan gave the DGIV the ability to opeate on Venus just for fun but to make it work there too well would mess up a lot
of the features on other planets. Remember the DGIV is supposed to be breakable. Otherwise you might as well use a default
Delta Glider.

Now Mars is a completely different problem. The air there is so thin that the DGIV has a hard time in atmospheric mode. Every
time I've tried a runway landing I've crashed and burned and thanks to that lovely effect I mean that literally .
If I carry enough speed to get lift for an approach I come in way too fast. If I slow it down so I can make an approach I
pancake into the ground. Takeoff, well you better have a looonng runway. Good news is that the Mars hover AP ascent
program works beautifully and is about the coolest thing to watch from the tower. Try it sometime.

[DanSteph]

MattNW a écrit:
 Good news is that the Mars hover AP ascent
program works beautifully and is about the coolest thing to watch from the tower. Try it sometime.

don't forget the "904" that is able to make hover take-off on earth.
Put a ground camera near the planned trajectory when DGIV light main engine
and you'll see a nice "millenium falcon" take-off.

I especially love when the hover door close.

Dan



Message modifié ( 21-05-2007 04:37 )

[MattNW]

DanSteph wrote:


don't forget the "904" that is able to make hover take-off on earth.
Put a ground camera near the planned trajectory when DGIV light main engine
and you'll see a nice "millenium falcon" take-off.

I especially love when the hover door close.

Dan

I especially love the, "WEEEEEEE VAROOOOM!!!"

[FetDaniel]

Really nice view! =) You've earned it.
Thank you for remembering us with the dll. =D

[DanSteph]

New DLL released 22 may, see first post.
It now support spacecraft3 payload and contain all latest fix.

Dan

[Evan]

What really suprised me was after the gear broke off the ship lifted off! I never waited for the ascent auto-pilot to
complete but I think it would have run out of fuel before reaching orbit.

[Jay Gatsby]

Evan wrote:
What really surprised me was after the gear broke off the ship lifted off! I never waited for the ascent auto-pilot to
complete but I think it would have run out of fuel before reaching orbit.

I suspect that if you have the biggest fuel reserve hooked into the most powerful engine, there's not much you can't
do if you don't rip yourself apart doing it.  If you get liftoff your only concern should be temperature management, do
that, and you will certainly be able to get into orbit, granted there are no guarantees with an autopilot designed for
earth (such as 904) when used on a planet that, other than mass and size, couldn't be more different (i.e. the
atmosphere, etc.)