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Offline AphelionHellion

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22 June 2004, 06:10:27
In case you haven't read the news, check it out :)

http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/062104-2.htm



I know it's almost anticlimactic seeing as how we've been following these test flights, but it's nice to know they've
accomplished this goal exactly as they planned.



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Offline freespace2dotcom

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Reply #1 - 22 June 2004, 07:10:37
Ah, but they have yet to win the X prize, which, as I recall, is the real goal. This is merely a stepping stone. :)



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Reply #2 - 22 June 2004, 07:55:36
Freespace: They will, they will :) The closest competition they have, in terms of teams vying for the X-prize, they barely
have a cockpit put together let alone a launch vehicle. If Scaled did it once they can do it again  :)

Also I'm not even sure that the X-prize is their final goal, particularly since things seem to be going so well. One thing I
noticed is that the SS1 project is part of something called "Tier one" - does this imply that Rutan and Scaled
Composites have other plans beyond SS1? SS2, perhaps? Something orbital maybe?  We can hope :)


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Reply #3 - 22 June 2004, 08:27:17
Hm. Was this bird constructed by Burt Rutan, the same person who constructed the Voyager, to go around the
planet? And a cheap jetfighter you can buy a few $1000 and construct in the backyard?


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Reply #4 - 22 June 2004, 10:22:39
Good work airship1, nice to see rutan making planes again.


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Reply #5 - 22 June 2004, 10:24:09
Yup :) Was afraid, he'll close himself into that chrystal pyramid of his for the rest of days :)


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Reply #6 - 22 June 2004, 11:33:28
Thewhatnow? :wonder:


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Reply #7 - 22 June 2004, 11:43:24
whadhesay?  :???:



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Reply #8 - 22 June 2004, 12:10:03
Doc: The same, the Mighty Rutan  :)
I hadn't heard about that backyard jetfighter, though? Sounds cool  ;)

But yeah, this project really makes me optimistic. I'm trying to remember the numbers for the cost of the project, it was
between 19 million and 40-something million, I know that. Imagine, though! It costs more to design a new SUV these
days!
I love NASA, and they certainly paved the way for the commercial exploitation of space, but they ARE a government
agency... I mean, can you imagine how much dough it'd take them to develop TWO totally new, state of the art
aircraft? They probably spent more than the entire SS1 project budget developing that zero-G toilet :)


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Reply #9 - 22 June 2004, 13:33:28
Here is the fighter. I think it was this one:


and his home. I saw it on Discovery. Somewhere in the deserts of America (I think Mojave) :) Hm the closest photo I
could find quickly:


at http://www.dickrutan.com/page11.html

Yup gov't projects go:"Why build one, when you can build two for the price of three?" And commercial interest once
the gov't paves the way, can always make it cheaper and technologically better. But commercially Apollo for example
could never have been justified nor absorbed financially. That's the way of things and it is good that it's so :)


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Reply #10 - 22 June 2004, 15:18:10
I will be very happy when they manage to do there first orbit. :)

I am very disappointed in the lettel media coverage.  I saw it live but still here in Germany not one station I
am aware of should it live.  Only a quick picture.  How CRAP!!! :(

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I love this :rant:



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Reply #11 - 22 June 2004, 15:48:29
Same in Slovenia. Much more fun to show the horrors of the planet.... :rant:


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Reply #12 - 22 June 2004, 17:07:41
:rant: !?!



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Reply #13 - 22 June 2004, 22:56:56
Yeah.. One HELL of a scary ride, according to Melvill, but Fun Stuff.  Go Burt.. Enjoy Biking for a while, Mike!


MOJAVE, CALIFORNIA -- There were tense times during the sky-blistering flight of SpaceShipOne here this morning.
The flight of the first private astronaut was not as perfect as it first appeared - a number of glitches occurred during
the flight, some potentially catastrophic.

At a post-landing press briefing, the 63-year old Melvill described a series of technical snags that haunted his record-
setting flight. Right after motor ignition, the pilot said the craft rolled 90 degrees to the left, then 90 degrees to the
right. "It has never ever done that before," he explained.

Melvill said he leveled out the rocketship, but then experienced trim problems during his climb outside the Earth´s
atmosphere. "As I came out of the atmosphere I no longer had any attitude control," Melvill told New Scientist and
other reporters. "If that had happened earlier, I would never have made it and you all would be looking sad right
now."  
During SpaceShipOne´s climb, Melvill said he also heard a surprising bang, coming from the engine area
where a fairing holding the craft´s nozzle buckled.  The team believes this was caused by aerodynamic stresses
crumpling a composite material fairing around the engine nozzle.

While an altitude of 360,000 feet was targeted, the rocket ship fell short of that mark, attaining 328,491 feet,
reported Burt Rutan, head of the Scaled Composites team that designed and built the vehicle.

"It was not a smooth flight from the standpoint of trajectory," Rutan reported at the press briefing. "This was not a
perfect flight."  Rutan also said the anomaly Melvill experienced was "the most serious flight safety systems problem
that we´ve had in the entire program."

Back up hardware on SpaceShipOne worked and the craft made a beautiful landing, Rutan said. "Even though we
really didn´t go where we were planning to go today... makes me feel very good because I felt it´s important to put
those kind of backup systems in... and they worked," he added.
"The backup saved the day," Melvill noted.

SpaceShipOne was travelling "faster than an M-16 rifle bullet", Rutan said, about around 2400 km/h (1500 mph) or
mach 3.2. As it reentered the atmosphere, falling like a badminton shuttlecock almost straight down, the rushing air
sounded like a hurricane, said Melvill.  "Coming down is frightening, because of that roaring sound," he said. "You can
really hear how that vehicle is being pounded."

Until the exact causes of the anomalies are understood, there will be no X-Prize attempt, Rutan said: "There's no way
we would fly again without knowing the cause and being sure we had fixed it."


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Reply #14 - 23 June 2004, 01:13:47
Doc: I know. What a bummer :rant:

What's kinda depressing is I was reading a thread about this project on Fark.com (I don't hang out there too much
anymore but I pop in occasionally as FarkingUpTheWrongTree) and a number of people seemed downright bitter at
this whole prospect. "Oh wonderful, now millionaires have another stupid hobby they can brag to each other about.
Yeah, this useless project sure is helping humanity alright!"
I mean I thought I was a cynical mother******! Sheesh! Some people just have no imagination, I swear. I've
got nasty astigmatism and I've still got a hundred times the vision of these people :wall:

Reekcha: Wow, I didn't realize they had so many problems! I hope they have some good solutions up their sleeves.
I guess that's to be expected, though. There's always a glitch or two. The trick is making sure the glitches don't kill ya
:)


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Reply #15 - 23 June 2004, 01:15:18
That'll be me then.
Unless he gets a whole hell of a lot omre funding he aint leaving suborbit.


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Reply #16 - 23 June 2004, 01:28:06
Simon: What makes you think he won't have plenty of offers, after this?
(And it's not like this is the first one-of-a-kind Rutan aircraft, either... This isn't some scammer who can't actually build a
working machine)
*cough Moller cough*


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Reply #17 - 23 June 2004, 01:30:48
The difference between orbit and suborbit is huge. Compare the wright brothers flying machine to an f18 or
something - thats the kind of difference we are talking about for ss1.
I will be completely gobsmacked if he makes it into orbit (manned) within ten years.
As for unmanned, well, there are other alternatives a little closer to home ;)


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Reply #18 - 23 June 2004, 02:35:01
Simonpro: The difference is huge, energy-wise, I'll grant you that, but if any company can do it, Scaled can.
'Sides, the complex stuff - navigation, control, life support  - all of that is already being tested.
Getting into orbit is physically very simple - it's just expensive as all get-out. Strap a big enough solid rocket to a brick
and you can get it into orbit :)  Question is whether you can afford to mess up and waste all that equipment.
Obviously the SS1 isn't build for boosters or any such thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rutan/Scaled comes up with
a boostable ship within 10 years.


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Reply #19 - 23 June 2004, 19:01:01
Mmmm... Moller SpaceCar.  

But yeah... SS1 COULD get up to orbit if it had 3X the rubber propellant power in it's tank.  The real problem is
probably HEAT on reentry.  
:hot:  using the Feather mode, it won't be as easy to surf the upper atmosphere as it is in the DGIII.  
More Radiators!


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Reply #20 - 23 June 2004, 19:11:57
It would need way more than 3x the propellant.
Its deltav is only just pushing 1km/s. To reach orbit it would need roughly another 7.5km/s dv, minimum.


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Reply #21 - 23 June 2004, 19:42:14
Hmm.. I was quoting Dick Ruttan, Burt's brother on CNN.  Maybe he's the Dull one, though.  ;)


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Reply #22 - 23 June 2004, 19:42:21
Moller SkyCar?

Such as this?




Now that's a REALLY cool car! :)


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Reply #23 - 23 June 2004, 19:44:34
Dick rutan needs to revise his figures, then.


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Reply #24 - 23 June 2004, 20:45:45
Reekcha: That skycar... :pfff:
It used to fascinate and excite the hell out of me, but it seems like every 4 or 5 years Popular Science comes up with
another glowing gotta-get-it story about it, and Moller says it'll just be 4 or 5 years before you too can own one for
just 60 K, and then 4 or 5 years later there's another Pop Sci article and some pretty pictures and the same pleas for
just a few more investor bucks. I wouldn't be surprised if they're even taking "Pre-orders" by now.
The phrase "A fool and his money are soon parted" springs to my mind unbidden, for some reason :)

The thing that really pisses me off is that a lot of the technology in that thing would be great for general aviation, but
it's just farking wasted on this skycar project. The engines for instance could wind up being great for conventional
airplanes... The idea of a bunch of unlicenced people whizzing around to computercontrolled nav coordinates though is
farking scary, even if the thing did actually work. I mean, you've seen the kind of drivers we have out there on the
road 8o  Tell me why these guys shouldn't need a pilot's license like everyone else?
:rant:
:off:

As for SS1, yeah, heat is the biggie. But fuel... Probably more than 3x.
I know there's a formula to figure it out... Something like velocity cubed plus the amount of fuel needed to lift that fuel
for X seconds or something...
/bad at math, won't even try


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