Author Topic: Need help with MIR, fuel and everything:) (Read 8080 times)

glObalist · 25 November 2003, 19:00:50

Hi there,

I'm not much wiser from the info I've gathered so far from these forums, so I'm posting my
situation as a "standalone" problem here. I decided to get to the Moon flying my DGII. I docked
with MIR to refuel first, only to find out it's not possible. I know, I should have known it's a vessel,
not a station anymore, therefore it doesn't refuel you automatically. Besides that, it doesn't have
any fuel in its tanks. Even if I try and add fuel to MIR via the PRPLEVEL command or the FUEL
command in the .scn file, the tanks appear to be empty. Why is this?

Besides THAT, when I want to switch to MIR (in order to find out if I've changed anything about its
fuel status) and press F3, it's not listed there so I have to type "mir" manually. Why THIS?

For this reason, even the transferfuelMFD won't help me a bit. Besides that, I suspect you don't
need this MFD when flying a DGII, do you? I mean, what's the relationship between this MFD and
DGII's ability to refuel?

Anyways, I know I could sort of cheat and edit the PRPLEVEL of my DGII at this point. But I don't
want to. So I download the Soyuz tanker addon to get a realistic tanker into orbit (though it
seems to have a really mean inclination >50 for a moon trip, doesn't it?) only to find out I cannot
achieve a stable orbit with it cos I don't know how. After pressing "O" it automatically gets to
about 200km altitude after which the autoguidance shuts off and I can't really control its flight so I
end up spinning around and falling to earth eventually. The Soyuz documentation says I can edit
the CONFIGURATION value to 3 in the scn file and the tanker should be in orbit already but my
doing so doesn't change anything.

Now, even if I managed to get it in stable orbit, how would I go about changing its inclination via
the .scn file so it has an orbit similar to MIR's? I mean how do you read those RPOS and RVEL
numbers in the scn file? Or should I change the inclination of the tanker via playing the actual
scenario? Is it even possible?

In case you're still not getting this, it's pretty simple- I'm frickin' lost. Any help would be really
appreciated.

DanSteph · Reply #1 - 25 November 2003, 22:56:39

Hello,

If you really fly the DGII you must follow the check-list for refuelling
once docked. (open valve etc etc)

Hope this help ?

Dan

glObalist · Reply #2 - 26 November 2003, 11:29:45

Hi Dan,

it doesn't help. I follow the checklist step by step and at the end I get a message saying "dock
valve error: no fuel pressure". Now I'm thinking, it can't be because I forgot to open the nosecone
while docking and did it only afterwards, can it?

DanSteph · Reply #3 - 26 November 2003, 13:41:41

mhhh... I just tried it work with the DGII docked to MIR.
Make sure all system are running (all powered up)

I got a pressure of 12.3 shown on the top of the "dock valve"
and all work.

Otherwise it's strange it would be the first time I hear a bug like that with
the DGII

If it's still don't work can you send me a saved scenario
of this situation ?

Dan

glObalist · Reply #4 - 26 November 2003, 14:42:30

Ok, i'm gonna replay the scenario and see if the refuelling is still not working. If it doesn't I'll surely
send you the file. But the scenario in question is your "DGII landed at KSC". Like I said, I started
the scenario, docked with mir and had to change its .cfg file in order for the station to even have
any fuel in its tank. Now I can refuel with tranferfuelMFD but still not with the DGII itself. See
my "mir, fuel and everything" topic on Orbiter forums for more detail.

glObalist · Reply #5 - 26 November 2003, 15:45:16

Hey,

I haven't tested anything yet, but it just occured to me- could this problem arise when you are
docked at some other port than 1? I am currently docked at port 2 of mir, haven't tested the other
ones yet.

DanSteph · Reply #6 - 26 November 2003, 16:15:09

No, all port should work the same...

mhhh it's possible that odd thing happen while
the "landed at KCS" scenario was designed for the previous version.

you can try one things: load the scenario "landed at KCS",
save it with control-S and reload it again and play with the saved version
so if some vital info are missing on the original scenery
there will be saved in the one you will play.

If you are docked correctly you should have those line
if you save the scenario and look into it:

Mir
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 5741148.78 -206999.66 -3384421.69
RVEL 3930.916 406.597 6647.781
AROT 0 -45 90
DOCKINFO 0:0,GL-01
NAVFREQ 0 0
END

glObalist · Reply #7 - 26 November 2003, 16:22:41

Port no. 1 doesnt work either. Yes, I think I do have this line in the scn file. Anyways, I'm sending
you the files (scn, mir config and mir original config) so you can check for yourself. Hope it gets thru.

glObalist · Reply #8 - 27 November 2003, 11:01:26

Dan,

I'm wondering- did you receive those files in your e-mail?

DanSteph · Reply #9 - 27 November 2003, 11:25:49

Yes sorry didn't had time to look at them right now...
I'll write to you when I will find 5mn.

Thanks,

Dan

glObalist · Reply #10 - 30 November 2003, 19:21:09

So what's up Dan, still no time to check this bug?

DanSteph · Reply #11 - 30 November 2003, 21:51:34

Sorry, didn't had time this week
I was busy with my familly.

(we saw also "the world of Nemo" with Kid
the last movie from pixar, very nice
film even for old guy)

Dan

glObalist · Reply #12 - 30 November 2003, 22:02:45

OK, that's fine. Anyways, wasn't the movie called "Finding Nemo"? If yes, then I've seen it too, it's
a pretty good movie, the only problem is I'm not 10 anymore:)

DanSteph · Reply #13 - 01 December 2003, 01:20:04

I'm not 10 also since .. well, too much time,

But I'm happy to have children so I can see those
movies with them...

About Pixar's film as "finding nemo"
I think that you must be adult to fully appreciate them,
there is a lot of things that a child can't understand,
and we laughed more than our kid with my wife.

And tonight I'm busy constructing and gluing
24 small house in paperboard for a 3d
christmas calendar that I'm doing for my childrens.

So iiiiiiiiiiiiiiijjjjjjjjjjjjjjj myyyyyyyy fingerrrrrrrr
arrrre fulllllll of glllllllllueeeeeee...

damnnnnnnn keyyyyyyyboardddd

Chrismas greeting,

Dan

reekchaa · Reply #14 - 01 December 2003, 07:01:55

Man... I still havent seen that movie! It's out on DVD now in the U.S.
If that ain't a great recommend, I don't know what is.

Very interesting how they usually change movie titles when they go international.

canadave · Reply #15 - 02 December 2003, 07:09:47

I thought Finding Nemo was absolutely hilarious

Dave

DanSteph · Reply #16 - 02 December 2003, 11:12:43

"the fish are our friends"

hehee

glObalist · Reply #17 - 04 December 2003, 11:05:48

Hello Dan,

I don't mean to be a pain in the ass, but have you looked into this problem of mine yet?
Cheers

DanSteph · Reply #18 - 04 December 2003, 20:38:30

No pain, glob,

I have made some test with the current version and it refuel without
problem at mir. I can't test this and correct the problem for your old version
because it would mean that I take back my old source and spend some time
to release a "new" "old" version and in my opinion this would be time
wasted while the new version is coming soon (I hope before christmas
at least for the first beta)

So I'm sorry but I'm affraid you must wait some, anyway this new version
will have more stuff so I hope you will still be happy with it.

Dan

glObalist · Reply #19 - 05 December 2003, 12:13:03

Oh, I didn't know you were working on a new version. That's great, I'm looking forward. But I was
only wondering if the problem in the scenario I sent you occurs on your system as well and if yes,
what might be causing it. Nevermind,
waiting for Christmas:)

DanSteph · Reply #20 - 07 December 2003, 01:02:44

Glob,

While reviewing the DGII's doc for futur add I suddenly had an idea:

Make SURE that into the DGII's configuration-program
the option "allow docking refuel" is CHECKED !

This program is located in orbiter/sound/deltagliderII
and is called DG2Config.exe....

(Btw there is a wonderful documentation for the DGII
that is located into Orbiter/Doc folder)

Perhaps it's only this option that cause your problem ?

Dan

glObalist · Reply #21 - 08 December 2003, 11:18:53

"Make SURE that into the DGII's configuration-program
the option "allow docking refuel" is CHECKED !"

Yeah, I checked it right when I first installed DGII. The problem lies elsewhere. It's in the "dock
valve error: no fuel pressure" message that I am getting. Just in what kind of situation did you
design this message to appear?

DanSteph · Reply #22 - 08 December 2003, 13:52:24

Then, either it's a bug beetween the old version of the DGII
and the new Orbiter, either it's Mir that cause problem !??

Did you tried with the ISS ?

Anyway, as said I'm working on the next version
and the refuel work well. I hope to have it available
as a beta before Christmas.

Dan

glObalist · Reply #23 - 23 December 2003, 13:51:42

Well Dan,

the Christmas is nearing, but where's the new DG?

reekchaa · Reply #24 - 24 December 2003, 21:10:12

Notice the word, HOPE, glObalist. Don't get yer panties in a bunge just yet.

Until then, I'm enjoying my new Nemo DVD quite nicely, thank you.