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Offline DanSteph

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05 November 2008, 05:49:51
voila, c'est fait... ! McCain a reconnu sa défaite, victoire net et sans bavure...

Y a de l'espoir dans le monde, il en avait bien besoin !!!

:gift:

Dan



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Reply #1 - 05 November 2008, 05:52:13
:)


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Reply #2 - 05 November 2008, 06:19:38
Le discours d'Obama était extraordinaire.

C'est l'Histoire en marche...

Je crois que ce soir nous sommes tous un petit peu plus près des Américains...


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Reply #3 - 05 November 2008, 06:28:29
Très émouvant effectivement... C'est comme si la chappe de plomb tombée sur le monde voici 8 ans s'était levée d'un
coup.

Un noir président des états unis... 40 ans après l'assassinat de Martin luther king !!!!
Quel beau message pour la planete !

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Reply #4 - 05 November 2008, 08:03:58
Cool , plus guerre a la con en irak alors !



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Reply #5 - 05 November 2008, 08:15:50
Si il n'y avait que ça, mais l'enjeux est bien ailleurs...
C'est un nouvel esprit qui souffle sur le monde.

Dan



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Reply #6 - 05 November 2008, 08:26:17
oui un vent d'espoir souffle sur nos tête
au nouveau président de ne pas nous décevoir et de pas se laisser influencé par les politiciens
mais ce qui arrive est extraordinaire,vive Obama


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Reply #7 - 05 November 2008, 08:33:32
Obama ne sera vraiment président qu'à partir de Janvier, il reste encore quelques mois à Bush pour faire encore quelques conneries ;)

J'espère en tout cas qu'Obama n'aura pas fait des promesses dans le vent comme on y a droit ici avec les politiciens francais, il y a un vrai espoir d'un changement pour le mieux dans le monde et les relations internationales, Obama on l'attend au tournant pour voir ce qu'il a vraiment dans le ventre.

Déjà si au niveau de son pays il permet aux pauvres d'avoir une couverture santé acceptable ce sera déjà énorme. Mais il y a beaucoup de boulot qui l'attend pour corriger les erreurs de Bush.

Interessant aussi c'est qu'il n'est pas un naif , il a bien fait comprendre que s'il est en faveur du dialogue avec des pays dangereux et pas seulement "potentiellement" enemis, il n'hésitera pas à utiliser des options moins pacifiques non plus si besoin est.

Maintenant, le problème est qu'on sait très bien qu'aux USA un président a derrière lui toute une ribambelle de companies,  multinationales et autres lobby plus ou moins louches pour financer le tout et qui possède un réel pouvoir d'influence.
Ca s'est plus remarqué pour Bush que pour ses prédecesseurs car les médias ont exposé ces faits.
 
Aussi quelles seront les influences de ses lobby sur les décisions d'Obama et de son gouvernements, c'est à voir.


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Reply #8 - 05 November 2008, 08:49:35
:hot:    :hot:     :hot:

Wouaaaahhouuuu !!!!
La fin de l'obscurantisme !!!

:beer:     :beer:     :beer:



Taaa Ta Tooo Tooo Taaa Taaa  !!!
Tiiii Ti Taaa Tooo Tooo Taaa . . . .




( et la victoire d'Obama se transmet bouche à bouche.  - mon père, à l'instant - )



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Reply #9 - 05 November 2008, 11:52:35
Le racisme latent des États unis va en prendre un coup. :)
Mais la politique garde toujours un pouvoir limitée.


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Reply #10 - 05 November 2008, 11:54:02
Je pense que l'election d'Obama est une bonne chose et un poids de moins
pour les americains ;)

Il reste du travail à Obama pour réparer les erreurs de Bush ( Qui n'a pas été brillant ;) )

Mais esperont qu'il fera le nécessaire pour l'économie et donc indirectement la pauvreté.

Ont est tous avec toi Obama :)





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Reply #11 - 05 November 2008, 12:53:15
I have a dream.....



Je suis content, c'est un symbole fort, surtout que c'est une victoire haut la main.
Mais j'ai quand meme une petite crainte, je ne donne pas 6 mois avant qu'une tentative d'assassinat soit faite sur Obama.
Beaucoup d'extremiste sudistes genre KKK ont promis de lui faire la peau :(



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Reply #12 - 05 November 2008, 13:24:50
J'ai écouté le discours en rentrant du taf ce matin, il assure le monsieur, quel présence sur scène.



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Reply #13 - 05 November 2008, 13:46:08
j'ai ecouté le discours en direct. quand il a fait référence au pas sur la lune là j'ai laché une grosse larme.
c'est aussi un grand pas pour l'humanité et c'est gravé. même si il se fait refroidir c'est quand même fait.


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Reply #14 - 05 November 2008, 13:56:52
J'avais aussi les larmes aux yeux, j'avais pris une grosse claque avec la deuxième élection de bush, une chappe de
cynisme et de noirceur s'était abattu sur le monde. Ca restera un moment historique cette élection.

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Reply #15 - 05 November 2008, 14:11:32
Bravo.... je suis fier pour les américians. Élire une personne de couleur est une grande victoire mondiale qui explique
que le racisme n'a plus de place dans notre société et que les gens de couleurs ont une réelle place dans la politique.

Je préfère les démocrates.... trop radical les républicains.

Maintenant ont peut dire hautement.... The Dark side of the force.... ou la force des gens de couleur



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Reply #16 - 05 November 2008, 14:14:06
:up:


Mes add-ons sont là !

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Reply #17 - 05 November 2008, 14:20:53
Quelqu'un aurait le discours intégral sous-titré (ou doublé) en video ? impossible de le trouver en entier...

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Reply #18 - 05 November 2008, 16:09:20
C'est vraiment un raz de marée, la grosse vague, un vrai retour de flamme pour l'esprit étroit de certain.
56 sièges au sénat pour les démocrates.

C'en est presque ennuyeux de se retrouver en France à parler si souvent de progrès pour ne le constater
qu'ailleurs ;)

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J'avais aussi les larmes aux yeux, j'avais pris une grosse claque avec la deuxième élection de bush
J'avais un sourire si large que certains ont cru que j'avais enfin échafaudé un plan final qui m'aurait assuré la
suprémacie sur tout l'univers connu :)



J'attend aussi le résultat avec impatience.


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Reply #19 - 05 November 2008, 16:14:05
Le résultat de quoi ?





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Reply #20 - 05 November 2008, 16:18:02
À la demande de Dan. Franchement, c'est du très grand art... J'ai mis en gras mon bout préféré...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/obama.transcript/index.html

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Obama:

Hello, Chicago.

If there is anyone out there who still doubts that America is a place where all things are possible, who still wonders if the
dream of our founders is alive in our time, who still questions the power of our democracy, tonight is your answer.

It's the answer told by lines that stretched around schools and churches in numbers this nation has never seen, by people who
waited three hours and four hours, many for the first time in their lives, because they believed that this time must be
different, that their voices could be that difference.

It's the answer spoken by young and old, rich and poor, Democrat and Republican, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Native
American, gay, straight, disabled and not disabled. Americans who sent a message to the world that we have never been just a
collection of individuals or a collection of red states and blue states.

We are, and always will be, the United States of America.

It's the answer that led those who've been told for so long by so many to be cynical and fearful and doubtful about what we
can achieve to put their hands on the arc of history and bend it once more toward the hope of a better day. Video Watch
Obama's speech in its entirety »

It's been a long time coming, but tonight, because of what we did on this date in this election at this defining moment
change has come to America.

A little bit earlier this evening, I received an extraordinarily gracious call from Sen. McCain.

Sen. McCain fought long and hard in this campaign. And he's fought even longer and harder for the country that he loves. He
has endured sacrifices for America that most of us cannot begin to imagine. We are better off for the service rendered by
this brave and selfless leader.

I congratulate him; I congratulate Gov. Palin for all that they've achieved. And I look forward to working with them to renew
this nation's promise in the months ahead.

I want to thank my partner in this journey, a man who campaigned from his heart, and spoke for the men and women he grew up
with on the streets of Scranton and rode with on the train home to Delaware, the vice president-elect of the United States,
Joe Biden.

And I would not be standing here tonight without the unyielding support of my best friend for the last 16 years the rock of
our family, the love of my life, the nation's next first lady Michelle Obama.

Sasha and Malia I love you both more than you can imagine. And you have earned the new puppy that's coming with us to the new
White House.

And while she's no longer with us, I know my grandmother's watching, along with the family that made me who I am. I miss them
tonight. I know that my debt to them is beyond measure.

To my sister Maya, my sister Alma, all my other brothers and sisters, thank you so much for all the support that you've given
me. I am grateful to them.

And to my campaign manager, David Plouffe, the unsung hero of this campaign, who built the best -- the best political
campaign, I think, in the history of the United States of America.

To my chief strategist David Axelrod who's been a partner with me every step of the way.

To the best campaign team ever assembled in the history of politics you made this happen, and I am forever grateful for what
you've sacrificed to get it done.

But above all, I will never forget who this victory truly belongs to. It belongs to you. It belongs to you.

I was never the likeliest candidate for this office. We didn't start with much money or many endorsements. Our campaign was
not hatched in the halls of Washington. It began in the backyards of Des Moines and the living rooms of Concord and the front
porches of Charleston. It was built by working men and women who dug into what little savings they had to give $5 and $10 and
$20 to the cause.

It grew strength from the young people who rejected the myth of their generation's apathy who left their homes and their
families for jobs that offered little pay and less sleep.

It drew strength from the not-so-young people who braved the bitter cold and scorching heat to knock on doors of perfect
strangers, and from the millions of Americans who volunteered and organized and proved that more than two centuries later a
government of the people, by the people, and for the people has not perished from the Earth.

This is your victory.

And I know you didn't do this just to win an election. And I know you didn't do it for me.

You did it because you understand the enormity of the task that lies ahead. For even as we celebrate tonight, we know the
challenges that tomorrow will bring are the greatest of our lifetime -- two wars, a planet in peril, the worst financial
crisis in a century.

Even as we stand here tonight, we know there are brave Americans waking up in the deserts of Iraq and the mountains of
Afghanistan to risk their lives for us.

There are mothers and fathers who will lie awake after the children fall asleep and wonder how they'll make the mortgage or
pay their doctors' bills or save enough for their child's college education.

There's new energy to harness, new jobs to be created, new schools to build, and threats to meet, alliances to repair.

The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep. We may not get there in one year or even in one term. But, America, I
have never been more hopeful than I am tonight that we will get there.

I promise you, we as a people will get there.

There will be setbacks and false starts. There are many who won't agree with every decision or policy I make as president.
And we know the government can't solve every problem.

But I will always be honest with you about the challenges we face. I will listen to you, especially when we disagree. And,
above all, I will ask you to join in the work of remaking this nation, the only way it's been done in America for 221 years
-- block by block, brick by brick, calloused hand by calloused hand.

What began 21 months ago in the depths of winter cannot end on this autumn night.

This victory alone is not the change we seek. It is only the chance for us to make that change. And that cannot happen if we
go back to the way things were.

It can't happen without you, without a new spirit of service, a new spirit of sacrifice.

So let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility, where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and
look after not only ourselves but each other.

Let us remember that, if this financial crisis taught us anything, it's that we cannot have a thriving Wall Street while Main
Street suffers.

In this country, we rise or fall as one nation, as one people. Let's resist the temptation to fall back on the same
partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long.

Let's remember that it was a man from this state who first carried the banner of the Republican Party to the White House, a
party founded on the values of self-reliance and individual liberty and national unity.

Those are values that we all share. And while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure
of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress.

As Lincoln said to a nation far more divided than ours, we are not enemies but friends. Though passion may have strained, it
must not break our bonds of affection.

And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn, I may not have won your vote tonight, but I hear your voices. I need
your help. And I will be your president, too.

And to all those watching tonight from beyond our shores, from parliaments and palaces, to those who are huddled around
radios in the forgotten corners of the world, our stories are singular, but our destiny is shared, and a new dawn of American
leadership is at hand.

To those -- to those who would tear the world down: We will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security: We support you.
And to all those who have wondered if America's beacon still burns as bright: Tonight we proved once more that the true
strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our
ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity and unyielding hope.

That's the true genius of America: that America can change. Our union can be perfected. What we've already achieved gives us
hope for what we can and must achieve tomorrow.

This election had many firsts and many stories that will be told for generations. But one that's on my mind tonight's
about a woman who cast her ballot in Atlanta. She's a lot like the millions of others who stood in line to make their voice
heard in this election except for one thing: Ann Nixon Cooper is 106 years old.

She was born just a generation past slavery; a time when there were no cars on the road or planes in the sky; when someone
like her couldn't vote for two reasons -- because she was a woman and because of the color of her skin.

And tonight, I think about all that she's seen throughout her century in America -- the heartache and the hope; the struggle
and the progress; the times we were told that we can't, and the people who pressed on with that American creed: Yes we can.

At a time when women's voices were silenced and their hopes dismissed, she lived to see them stand up and speak out and reach
for the ballot. Yes we can.

When there was despair in the dust bowl and depression across the land, she saw a nation conquer fear itself with a New Deal,
new jobs, a new sense of common purpose. Yes we can.

When the bombs fell on our harbor and tyranny threatened the world, she was there to witness a generation rise to greatness
and a democracy was saved. Yes we can.

She was there for the buses in Montgomery, the hoses in Birmingham, a bridge in Selma, and a preacher from Atlanta who told a
people that "We Shall Overcome." Yes we can.

A man touched down on the moon, a wall came down in Berlin, a world was connected by our own science and imagination.

And this year, in this election, she touched her finger to a screen, and cast her vote, because after 106 years in America,
through the best of times and the darkest of hours, she knows how America can change.

Yes we can.

America, we have come so far. We have seen so much. But there is so much more to do. So tonight, let us ask ourselves -- if
our children should live to see the next century; if my daughters should be so lucky to live as long as Ann Nixon Cooper,
what change will they see? What progress will we have made?


This is our chance to answer that call. This is our moment.

This is our time, to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids; to restore prosperity and
promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth, that, out of many, we are one;
that while we breathe, we hope. And where we are met with cynicism and doubts and those who tell us that we can't, we will
respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people: Yes, we can.

Thank you. God bless you. And may God bless the United States of America.  


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Reply #21 - 05 November 2008, 16:24:35
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no matter a écrit:
C'est vraiment un raz de marée, la grosse vague, un vrai retour de flamme pour l'esprit étroit de certain.
56 sièges au sénat pour les démocrates.
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Pas vraiment un raz-de-marée, quand même... Une victoire franche, mais à 52% des voix des électeurs (pas le collège
électoral), la fracture de 2000 perdure... sauf que cette fois ci c'est les démocrates qui ont le pouvoir.

C'est pas beau, la démocratie? :love:


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Reply #22 - 05 November 2008, 16:24:59
Meurchi, mais je cherchais la vidéo integrale pour Christine qui l'a pas vu en direct... Il existe une version quebequoise
sur youtube mais ca coupe à 9mn...

Il est bien ce discours cela dis, je suis impressionné, en plus le gars est droit dans ces bottes sans ciller... un
bonhomme !

Dan


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Reply #24 - 05 November 2008, 16:33:36
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Le résultat de quoi ?
Le programme d'Obama (même celui de McCain!) a des points qui vont profondément changer ce que l'administration
Bush a instauré, j'attend d'en voir le résultat.

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