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Author Topic: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?  (Read 1757 times)

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Offline Chally

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18 February 2017, 19:49:13
Hi

I see no sign of Dan. No answers, nothing. That's pretty bad way to treat community.

I think an explanation is due...just that.

CS.


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Reply #1 - 19 February 2017, 03:03:14
Ah, no.  If the history of Orbiter is anything to go by, Dan may be quietly working on an update but will only release a "quality" product ... which has always been worth the wait. While there is an "official" release of Orbiter 2016, a quick scan of the activity of Orbiter 2016 Beta shows that the current product is probably not sufficiently stable enough to warrant anything other than superficial treatment, certainly not conducive of a quality product that would please no-one.

As to "an explanation is due" ... perhaps a polite query would have been more appropriate, rather than the Trumpian tone that was employed. Certainly a pretty bad way to treat a community that you are just introducing yourself to.


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Reply #2 - 19 February 2017, 19:35:10
In other words, you don't know, like everyone else. But thanks for the reply!

Yes, ok, I can understand your reasoning why no updates have been released, but why no communication from him? It's been a year, and ...nothing?! That is just puzzling.

Perhaps a little rude, not intentional. But then why you use the word "Trumpian". It's an unnecessary reference to politics!


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Reply #3 - 22 February 2017, 15:19:25
Ah, no.  If the history of Orbiter is anything to go by, Dan may be quietly working on an update but will only release a "quality" product ... which has always been worth the wait. While there is an "official" release of Orbiter 2016, a quick scan of the activity of Orbiter 2016 Beta shows that the current product is probably not sufficiently stable enough to warrant anything other than superficial treatment, certainly not conducive of a quality product that would please no-one.

As to "an explanation is due" ... perhaps a polite query would have been more appropriate, rather than the Trumpian tone that was employed. Certainly a pretty bad way to treat a community that you are just introducing yourself to.
so as far as helping the orbiter 2016 client along are we just supposed to test shit and send bug reports? who do we send bug reports to. the faster the kinks in o2016 are worked out the faster i can come back to orbiter from ksp cuz MUH ADDONS ;P. lmk.

Post Merge: 22 February 2017, 15:20:41
In other words, you don't know, like everyone else. But thanks for the reply!

Yes, ok, I can understand your reasoning why no updates have been released, but why no communication from him? It's been a year, and ...nothing?! That is just puzzling.

Perhaps a little rude, not intentional. But then why you use the word "Trumpian". It's an unnecessary reference to politics!
dude dansteph is around i posted in the french forums with him a month or so ago. hes obviously working on it but as original responder wrote, hes the type that works on it quietly. you have to remember how long it took the first few times. and o2016 w/ collision adds a lot of complexity for every single modder interacting with terrain in their mod.


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Reply #4 - 10 March 2017, 20:42:50
In other words, you don't know, like everyone else. But thanks for the reply!

Yes, ok, I can understand your reasoning why no updates have been released, but why no communication from him? It's been a year, and ...nothing?! That is just puzzling.

Perhaps a little rude, not intentional. But then why you use the word "Trumpian". It's an unnecessary reference to politics!
Stop baiting the topic and turning it into a flame war. its not needed here. now with your question. Dan is around. He has a real life and you need to give him a break. if you are too impatient for a release of this addon which he spends his free time on, then play something else.

« Last Edit: 13 March 2017, 22:30:00 by jgrillo2002 »

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Reply #5 - 28 April 2017, 20:39:25
It's been a year, and ...nothing?! That is just puzzling.

Orbiter 2016 was officially released on August 30.  It's only been six months this Sunday.  As was mentioned, 2016 was a MAJOR upgrade that added terrain collision.  This completely changes the way UMMU and UCGO interact with planet surfaces, so it's going to take Dan a lot longer than previous releases to update the code to the newest version of Orbiter.  Add to the fact that Dan has a real life, and develops commercial software for a living, and it's no surprise an update hasn't been released yet. 

Want to help him out?  Spend $25 USD and go buy FSX: Steam Edition, then run and spend $29.95 Euro and buy FS Passengers.  Put some food on his family's table instead of ripping the guy for not giving you a free handout when and how you demand it. 


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Reply #6 - 28 April 2017, 20:46:45
Absolutly right, well said

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Carr: 12, Houston. Try SCE to auxiliary. Over.
Conrad: Try FCE to Auxiliary? What the hell is that? NCE to auxiliary..?
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Reply #7 - 28 April 2017, 22:32:14
Absolutly right, well said
I also agree with you ...  ;)

Mes add-ons sont là !

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Reply #8 - 30 April 2017, 02:05:58
Well said n122vu!


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Reply #9 - 30 April 2017, 16:53:49
couldn't have said it better. This guy needs a suspension at least


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Reply #10 - 02 May 2017, 02:56:26
couldn't have said it better. This guy needs a suspension at least

I don't think so, guys. Every time we have had a substantial change to  Orbiter some "new" member starts whining for Dan's updates. They have no sense of the history of the project or of the requirements of a superior product.

Always best to just pat them on the head and recommend patience ... unless, of course, they really are just intending to start a flame war ... and we have had experience of that, haven't we?

Still, I have some hopes for the updates.  Uh, Dan, any chance we can get a copy of the source code for the Frelon? Or an update of it? It's always been my favourite craft.


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Reply #11 - 05 May 2017, 22:05:14
Tisk tisk. And to think that it took several years to see the update to orbiter 2016. That someone could suddenly update their  own end of code to that in a few months is a bit delusional, especially since this is a free program through and through.

Honestly I'm just happy Dansteph is still working on this considering it's been over a decade since I joined the forums here. Give the man a break.


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Reply #12 - 06 May 2017, 13:00:41
Given that Dan did a fine job with the vessel-library used to late-bind to his middle-ware sound (and UMmu) DLLs, I think it should be quite feasible to replace the later binaries with an open alternative. So everybody unhappy with Dan's schedule is certainly more than welcome to do just that.

In addition to filling one's own needs, this would also light the competition spark in the corresponding feature areas again, so more regular releases might be a natural result, too.