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Offline DanSteph

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06 April 2007, 21:54:50
I'm changing the crew system aboard DGIV (following the new UMmu Possibilities)



I think to add a set of 15-20 function possible this would add some possibilites
in scenarios.

"you must land with two geologist in copernicus crater to study strange formation"

I have this yet:

Capt - Pilot in command
Capt - Pilot (can replace the pilot in command)
Eng - engineer
Doc - doctor
Sci - scientific
Geo - geologist
Ast - astronaut

Not defined:  passenger

Maybe other scientific category ? "physician" ? other ?
and also things like "president" ? ("they had president aboard... crashed... rescue him")

Maybe some may have special spacesuit when they EVA ?

Dan



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Reply #1 - 06 April 2007, 22:14:55
The only other idea I can think of is a soldier (land at enemy base, drop off soldiers, get the hell outa there.).


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Reply #2 - 06 April 2007, 22:23:56
hmm... I have an idea. eject them from 3km up and they land with parachutes.


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Reply #3 - 06 April 2007, 22:52:18
Dan,

Miners- for the JMC
Technicians- for repairs
Cook- for those extra long missions!!!
Aerospace Medical Tech- for the medical ship
Nurse- Med ship
Loadmaster- Transworld express and any cargo mission


I'm sure I'll think of a few more.


Good Friday to you!


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Reply #4 - 06 April 2007, 22:53:32
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I'm sure I'll think of a few more.


Keep posting them ;)

Much thanks !

Dan



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Reply #5 - 06 April 2007, 23:04:27
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Cook- for those extra long missions!!!

The thing that has always bothered me with the DGIII/DGIV was where would they eat/sleep/etc?! unless there is a secret room
in the back, I can't really see a cook. Where would he, uh, cook?


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Reply #6 - 06 April 2007, 23:40:24
I had a 6.50 meter long sailing boat with cabin, wasn't a problem to cook sleep and eat
inside the cabin (rainy day).

A DG in reality would be used for short trip of great maximum 5-10 days just to transfert peoples
and some small cargo, it would also use MarKI engine (50kN only where default MARKIV have 260KN)
and would be unable to take off from earth. (launched by rocket or mother ship)

You can simulate that also... Just take MarkI in config.

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Reply #7 - 07 April 2007, 01:09:38
Hello Dan!
My First Post! :-)

Ast - Astronaut ??? -Aren't they all Astronauts as soon as they are sitting in a Deltaglider? :wonder: ;)
-I'd suggest 'Mission Specialist' and 'Exobiologist'.

Greetings,
Stinger (orbiting :turning: since 2003)


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Reply #8 - 07 April 2007, 01:12:20
Indeed, don't forget that in space there's no weight so you don't need a bed to sleep...

the idea of launching with a mother is a great once... We could use some airplane like the 747 used to transport shuttle for
ALT.

Starting around mach 1 at 50000 ft would be realistic to proceed to launch...


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Reply #9 - 07 April 2007, 01:20:22
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Stinger a écrit:
Ast - Astronaut ??? -Aren't they all Astronauts as soon as they are sitting in a Deltaglider? :wonder: ;)
-I'd suggest 'Mission Specialist' and 'Exobiologist'.

Yes and no, ship can carry passengers that would never do an EVA or technical things
and "space specialist" (astronauts) ;)

Thanks for suggestion !

Dan


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Reply #10 - 07 April 2007, 01:36:56
Question: Is it possible to turn focus to the Pilot as soon as you hit 'esc-esc-esc'? -That way it would be more realistic
and easier to see the crew coming down. ;-)
-Sorry for posting this in the wrong tread!


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Reply #11 - 07 April 2007, 01:40:02
You forgot lawyer :???: I wonder why?

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Reply #12 - 07 April 2007, 02:03:45
maybe an "official" would do? i can hardly imagine a president of any larger country taking a ride on a DGIV, unless it's the
presidential DGIV of course. And with officials, you can still say "high in government" or "in charge of the important blah".
or even both? i must admit, i like the idea of having some sort of presidential dgiv, you could do interesting missions with
that.

climatologist - you could use them on mars, with those furious sand storms and all that, and perhaps on venus too. dont know
if theres anything like an exo-climatologist, though.

exobiologist - so that they may get to do some field work finally, or maybe just a biologist with no exo who could take care
of habitats like the greenhouse in mission to mars or stuff like that. you could have missions like "plants in olympus base
greenhouse dying, oxygen/food supply endangered. biologist in charge is currently at vallis something to collect samples of
some or other experiment. get him to olympus asap" or carry bioreactors as cargo.

a physicist might be a good idea too, though i cant really think of a scenario involving one. i'm sure others can, though.

some sort of "trained/skilled worker" might be necessary, too. you know, no scientist, or engineer, just someone who knows
how to use this or that laser or how to erect some sort of habitat, or even do some kind of agriculture work with specialized
plants. or maybe keeping some unstable payload from doing undesirable things or so. like the currently available miner (who
isnt a real geologist, too), but in different fields. might be a job for astronauts or scientists, though.

it's dan's decision of course, but my personal opinion is that soldiers don't belong there. sitting in a military aircraft,
"pilot" is clear enough, and as to stuff like dropping troops behind enemy lines, i believe that orbiter isnt the place for
that kind of thing. Theres loads of software that allows you to do just that, Battlefield or America's Army or whatever, and
i think that trying to make some sort of miltary operations simulation out of orbiter isnt really sensible. it's a space
flight simulation, after all, not some first-person shooter.
just my two cents.

some sort of journalist/media guy might be a good idea, too.

h ow about tourists? with spacecraft as the dgiv available, i'm sure a lot of people would buy (and could afford) a ticket
for one day in orbit or a weekend trip to the iss or some hypothetical orbital hotel if given the chance.

i currently cant think of much real use for physicists or chemists in scenarios, but then, i'm sure others can.

okay, running out of ideas now. i think the most important one it the tourist. ;)

Felix


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Reply #13 - 07 April 2007, 02:05:48
oh, yes, lawyers, great idea! finally we'll be able to throw them into the sun!
just kidding. though i must admit, part of me really likes the idea. ;)


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Reply #14 - 07 April 2007, 02:15:55
Thanks for all those suggestions Felix, if was searching about exobiologist  and climatologist but I wasn't able to
remind, most of the list will be usefull, agree for soldat also.

Quote
Stinger a écrit:
Question: Is it possible to turn focus to the Pilot as soon as you hit 'esc-esc-esc'? -That way it would be more realistic
and easier to see the crew coming down. ;-)
-Sorry for posting this in the wrong tread!

Sorry no for a simple reason, after ejection he may turn in every direction during sometime and the view will be crazy,
(and you'll be missing crew ejection) better keep a good visual reference and switch when you want.

Dan


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Reply #15 - 07 April 2007, 02:20:06
or even software engineers....:badsmile:

(no, really, check out the story!)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20070406/tc_nf/51317

I noticed that the company mentioned has tourist flights both to the ISS and also around the moon.  I definitely like
the tourist idea.  MS Flight Simulator 2004 also had "tourist" flights you could simulate in Alaska.

n122vu



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Reply #16 - 07 April 2007, 02:27:08
Ah, ok! -I just asked...
-Maybe coding a *.dll for the Astronaut during ejection to stabilize him... *just kidding* :lol: ;)


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Reply #17 - 07 April 2007, 02:40:08
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Hello Dan!
My First Post! :-)

BTW, welcome here :beer:

Dan


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Reply #18 - 07 April 2007, 03:13:08
glad to be of help.

another idea:
it might be sensible to have someone who can predict stuff like solar storms, maybe that could be a possible field of use for
a physicist? or maybe even an astrophysicist?
the latter would be a good idea anyways, as you could fly scenarios like "there's a rare possibility to observe einsteinian
effect blah on titan on 3 nov, 2043, and data gathered there during the event could further research in the field of unified
theories - not enough time to construct a probe, but we have astrophysicist dr santa clause who has developed iand built the
necessary instruments. fly him there, obtain the data, send it to station amidst-nowhere via your long range antenna, refuel
and get back" or the like.
with some creativity in making up mock theories one could reasonably have people do stuff that would otherwise not make much
sense, like passing over the north pole of the sun in a precise given orbit during a arbitrary time window.
also, really complex trajectories might require someone aboard who knows what he's doing, unlike me who crashed into saturn once.

also, if you wanted to use gases from some or other atmosphere as fuel, you'd most likely need a chemist to control the
chemical reactor you'd most likely need for that. however, an exobiologist or simply a generic "scientist" could probably do
that as well, so i'd wager the importance of this one to be rather small.

on a slightly different note, chemical or biological reactors would make good payloads, too, by the way. if noone else does,
i'll probably do some skins for them when i get to have real free time again.
after all, with some more progress in genetics, you could have microbes make stuff like nutrition or kerosene from co2, or do
the same from human waste, let alone possible applications in producing medicine (much of that is already being done by
microbes - with some advancements in genetics, you might be able to synthetize the stuff you need "on demand".)
a mars base could use special reactors to make their own alcoholic beverages, too, which might be more important still in the
long run. ;)

another, rather weird idea .. some sort of "security personnel" might be needed, too. after all, humans likely remain human
in space too, and some humans always do things they shouldnt do. there might be crimes on mars bases as well, and you'd have
to pick the rapist, murderer or whatever up and transport him or her to earth for trial and being locked away. and maybe some
tourists might start wreaking havoc in an orbital hotel, too, once they learn that they cant smoke.
not sure if that's a good idea, though. would allow for interesting scenarios with prisoners in suspended animation in
cargobay, but then, dedicated security people might be too much mock-realism. i'd be glad to hear other opinions on that.

Felix


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Reply #19 - 07 April 2007, 03:34:34
Neat idea...

Can someone make a recap list of all names please ?

Dan


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Reply #20 - 07 April 2007, 03:58:47
Okay, I hope i didnt overlook anything, that would be what we've got by now.


Capt (Pilot in command)
Capt Pilot (can replace the pilot in command)
Engineer (Eng)
Doctor (Doc)
Scientific (Sci - might be obsolete as there's all sorts of scientists in the list as well(?))
Geologist (Geo)
Astronaut (Ast)
Passenger
President
Miner (for the JMC)
Technician
Cook
Aerospace Medical Tech (for the medical ship)
Nurse (Med ship)
Loadmaster (Transworld express and any cargo mission)
Mission Specialist
Exobiologist
Official
Climatologist
Trained Worker (for work that doesnt require the skills of scientists or astronauts)
Reporter/Journalist
Tourist
Astrophysicist
Chemist
Security Personnel (for beating up troublemakers)


I assume that lawyer and software engineer were jokes only. ;)



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Reply #21 - 07 April 2007, 04:05:08
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Felix a écrit:
I assume that lawyer and software engineer were jokes only. ;)

software engineer a joke ? :sad:

Much thanks for the list :beer:

Dan


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Reply #22 - 07 April 2007, 04:05:44
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hfbldprince wrote:
hmm... I have an idea. eject them from 3km up and they land with parachutes.

Or on an airless planet or moon the turbo pack. Once the turbo pack is strapped on you will need a grapple point on the DGIV
for them to hold on to. Burn retrograde until your orbit intersects the base, drop off your men and then burn prograde to
move back into a circular orbit with the DGIV. That'd be fun to try with the turbo packs.

Something I was thinking about last night is some kind of MFD that reads the info on the planet or star that you select with
the antenna. Kind of a science MFD. It can get it's data from the planet/star .cfg file in the Config directory.



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Reply #23 - 07 April 2007, 04:16:06
Thanks for the list, I want to try to make some different color of spacesuit
but I can't do too much (maybe 4-5) so the list must not be too big otherwise
peoples will rarely have chance to see different spacesuit.

So I restrained the list to this what you think ?
This give a good possibility of mission...
In bold maybe those that have special spacesuit color ?
no promise anyway, I didn't started the tests.

Capt Pilot in command (orange)
Capt Pilot ((orange)

Engineer (Eng)
Doctor (Doc)

Scientific
Geologist (Geo)
Astronaut (Ast)
Passenger
Miner (for the JMC)
Technician
Mission Specialist
Exobiologist
Climatologist
Astrophysicist
Chemist
Security Personnel

Dan



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Reply #24 - 07 April 2007, 04:51:58
Recreating 2001/2010, our team Exobiologist could jetpack out over Triton/Europa, range-finding for chlorophyll...
Theres a lot of fun mining missions to dream up here that result in exotic ice monsters with sexy results.  :)


~ the Reekchaa