The Deltaglider IV's posible rival. ( Dan's deltaglider )

[electricversion]

I definitely prefer the DGIII, and the DGIV will be even better.  One thing I'd love to see is a larger DG (think passenger
airliner).  The DeltaGlider EX looks great, but it's a pain to fly.

[DanSteph]

Starting a DG"NN" yet I would do it larger, a bit like DGex... the size of DG is a big limitation yet...

Dan

[sunshine135]

Agreed. The size does limit the DG (pick your variety). It still is the best "person shuttle/ all purpose" vehicle around.

I also agree about the developers. I don't see all of the DGs as rivals as much as I see them as being interesting and
unique. Even the default DG has some character to it. It is nice to see developers taking their valuable spare time and
creating some great products to enhance our Orbiter enjoyment.

Heck, I'd fly a donut box into space if it would encourage that developer to make newer and neater spacecraft.

[ctmueller]

I've been on the beta test for this spacecraft.

It's extremely fun.  Very well made, and Doug is really good about responding to emails and fixing bugs.  

There's no need to consider this craft a "rival".  First off, it's part of Orbiter.  We're a small community as it is, no
need for "rivalry".  

It can be enjoyed along with the DGIV as its own separate and unique craft.  XR1 and DGIV might look the same, but both have
very different flight characteristics and features.  Eye candy, new feature innovation and autopilots are the hallmark of
DGIV.  Functionality, emphasis on flight characteristics, and more readily available flight data are the hallmarks of the
XR-1.  At least in my estimation.  Opinions may vary.

[skookum]

I happen to like the XR1's attitude hold autopilot. The AOA and bank functions are adjustable to .5 degrees and 5 degrees
respectively making re-entries a snap. Plus the scramjet engines and limited APU fuel add extra dimensions of complexity. The
XR1 doesn't have an ascent autopilot or a docking autopilot, both excellent features of the DG III/IV.

I like the XR1's aerodynamic model. The AOA feels right on re-entry and the thermal envelope is a little wider.


T-oe-mato tam-aa-to.

[Hubleman]

Yeah I agree with you guys, both spacecraft shoudn't be rivals but partners in orbiter fun, sorry if this topic was kinda
rude, I dind't mean to insult anybody.

Both spacecraft are great and both creators are great.

[ar81]

For some reason people try to rate 'the top ten'.
I guess it is because we live in a society that worship 'winners' and condemn 'losers'.
But real life shows there are no 'losers'.

For example, if I am called a loser because I didn´t win a soccer championship as coach, I will have another championship in
teh future where I could make my team to win.  If you didn´t suceed in the first attempt, you have plenty of time.  Edison
needed about 2000 attempts to invent the light bulb, so he technically was a loser.  Disney worked delivering newspapers and
he entered bankruptcy in the first attempt to enter animation business.

DG XR1 is no competition of DGIII or DGIV.
People may fly both, and people may like one or another, but it doesn´t define winners, or even a competition.
If XR1 was an exact carbon copy of DGIII, we could say that it may displace DGIII, but if XR2 and DGIV have different
features, then there is no such 'competition' or 'rivalry'.

Anyway, developers here don´t do things to compete, but to contribute to the Orbiter community or just as part of their
learning process.  And if a developer wants to compete with another developer, he is playing the wrong game, for this is a
community where at most you can compete with yourself.

[Quantum Burrito Meal]

Edison didn't invent the lightbulb, an englishman called Joseph Wilson Swan did. I hate it when people perpetuate that.

[DocHoliday]

hehehe, well, Edison had better PR then

[ctmueller]

It's an excellent craft.  It's not meant to compete.  It's merely an alternative space exploration vehicle.  

I've talked to Doug over email, he's extremely responsive and a very cool guy.  So is Dan.  It would be nice if possible,
that both craft should meet in synchronous orbit close enough for them to wave at each other, before rocketing off to
different destinations in the same Space.....

[Hubleman]

ctmueller wrote:  It would be nice if possible,
that both craft should meet in synchronous orbit close enough for them to wave at each other, before rocketing off to
different destinations in the same Space.....

That would be great

[Ursus]

Quantum Burrito Meal wrote:
Edison didn't invent the lightbulb, an englishman called Joseph Wilson Swan did. I hate it when people perpetuate that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_bulb

Hmmm... interesting...

In Britain, the Edison and Swan companies merged into the Edison and Swan United Electric Company (later known as Ediswan,
which was then incorporated into Thorn Lighting Ltd). Edison was initially against this combination, but after Swan sued him
and won, Edison was eventually forced to cooperate, and the merger was made. Eventually, Edison acquired all of Swan's
interest in the company. Swan sold his United States patent rights to the Brush Electric Company in June 1882. Swan later
wrote that Edison had a greater claim to the light than he, in order to protect Edison's patents from claims against them in
the US.
...
In addressing the question "Who invented the incandescent lamp?" historians Robert Friedel and Paul Israel (1987, 115-117)
list 22 inventors of incandescent lamps prior to Swan and Edison.

But I guess this is getting a little off topic.

As far as the DG-XR1 and the DGIV go... Well, I've only recently gotten back into playing with Orbiter, so I haven't gotten
around to getting on the Beta testing team for the DGIV. From my experiences with the DGIII, however, and from trying out the
XR1, I can see the two building off each other.

I hope Dan and Doug will excuse me for putting words into their mouths...

Dan: This Orbiter simulator is really nice but I think I could make it even better. I'll make my own version of the Delta
Glider and call it the Delta Glider II. (Then DGIII... then...)

Doug: Hey, Dan, that DGIII add-on you made for Orbiter is great, but if I'd have done a couple things differently. In fact,
I'm a pretty darn good programmer myself. I think I take a crack at my own version of the Delta Glider.

Someone Else: Oh, no! Not yet another Delta Glider!

Dan: Why, sounds wonderful! In fact, why don't you go ahead and use the UMmu and OrbiterSound 3.5, which I'll be releasing
with the DGIV.

Doug: Why, thank you, Dan. Those will enhance my DG-XR1 tremendously.

Dan: Maybe you'll come up with something so wonderful, I can stop programming Delta Gliders and start concentrating on
something that will put food on my table... Naah... That will never happen. I enjoy this too much.

Then, later on...

Dan: Doug, that DG-XR2 you built is pretty nice. I still prefer my DGIV, but there are a couple features of the XR2 that I
really like. I think I'll go ahead and put them in the DGV.

Once again, excuse me, Doug and Dan, for putting words into your mouths.

Here I am, posting hypothetical conversations that are actually condensations of several hypothetical exchanges, direct and
indirect, that take place over a span of years. I guess that means I'm getting pretty darn punchy and had better get to bed.

Haven't even gotten to talking about the DGIX... er, I mean XR2... I mean... aack!

Wheres the electrical system? Ought to get on the main Orbiter forum and ask about that, but not tonight.

XR1... that's what it's called.

[Doug Beachy]

Speaking for myself, I think that statement is pretty accurate.    Both are fine ships, and Dan's
OrbiterSound 3.5 and UMmu are truly excellent!

Also, both Dan and I plan to use all-new meshes for our next-generation ships, the XR5 and the DGV.

[Hubleman]

Great to hear that Doug.

[DanSteph]

Notice I didn't had time to test doug's addon until now because I have too much work
but I'm sure there is plenty of nice stuff in it...

There is a lot gorgeous addons that I wanted to test but had no time for that,
I hope I'll have some time once I'll be done with DGIV OS3.5 AND UMMU.

For next version I think I'll continue DGV with same model doing some improvments
THEN I'll start another one, a small mother ship for long range trip with custom
mesh etc etc.

And ground crane, and symphony base, and vehicle , and IA ship and and ...

Dan