The Deltaglider IV's posible rival. ( Dan's deltaglider )

[Hubleman]

The Deltaglider XR 1 MK I has been released by Dough. Could this new deltaglider be a rival for Dan's deltaglider?? It
has all the features that Dan's deltaglider has, I would say it is almost a copy, I don't know about the skins but as I
have seen it is currently laking 2 features that Dan's deltaglider has :

1 The probability to desingtigrate in the atmostphere ( spellcheck that ) or blow the ship to pieces.

2 The option to eject your crew



So.................... what do you think about this?..................especially you Dan

[willy88]

The XR1 just isn't as fun or as complete as the DGIV, in my opinion.

[Quick_Nick]

Do you know how many DGIII-like DGs there are? Not a rival.

[Spence]

The thing is, Dan's been at this longer, and is more of a pro. The DGIV floors the XR1 due to this. Given time, the XR1
may develop into something special- its slightly more aesthetically pleasing the the DGIV and has scram engines
(thought the dgiv has turbo), and it has nicer sounds. If given time, the XR1 may be able to compete.
But, the DGIV is also way easier to configure, it has hatches for UMMU units properly integrated and just seems more
refined. It's like comparing a baby aston to a porche 911.
The XR1 is still a brilliant craft, it just aint anywhere near as brilliant as the DGIV.

[jer11]

I got the DGXR1 b. 5 and it shows the name and age.

[Hubleman]

I agree with you spence, and another thing the Deltaglider IV has and the XR 1 is missing :


3 A cargo bay.

[Spence]

Although there has been talk of a future xr1 with a cargo bay. It was the same case with the dgex, which did have a
cargo bay when the dg3 did not, ad it looked pretty, but it still lacked the functionality of the dg3.

[Simonpro]

Spence wrote:
It's like comparing a baby aston to a porche 911.

What? One is overly expensive, well designed, slow and British while the other is overly expensive, well designed,
slow and German?

[Spence]

You've obviously not seen the top gear episode where they go to the isle of man. The porsche's more reliable and
faster.

[DocHoliday]

Personally, I think the original question is... well.. off.

Since both DG's and all other mods for that matter (thanks to the good doctor) are FREE, they cannot by definition be rivals.
There is no market to conquer, no demand to corner.

I haven't tried the DG XR Mk1 yet (will soon!), but I know there are others out there that mimic or resemble Dan's creation
in many ways (the great DG-EX by Shimz and TX by Kulch, are two examples) I see them all as hundreds of hours of effort and
thousands of lines of code.... just so we can have fun with them. I see them all as possible and (hopefully) near-future
models of what is to come. I'll decide which one I prefer when I get to buy them! :D

But seriously, I just can't compare them. They are both equal and unique at the same time.

My 0.02€

[JoshB]

I was beta testing the XR1 and I have to say that it is a very nice vehicle.  I'm not on the DGIV beta test team, so I can't
compare to that except for what I know from the forums.  I can compare to DGIII though.

I'm looking at it as the XR1 has the advanced features like better autopilots and damage simulation (and cool sounds and
callouts) and seems like it could easily replace the stock DG for the new user crowd.  That's not to say that it is lame to
experienced players, but rather if you don't feel like remembering the powerup sequence of the DragonFly (for example) or the
computer codes of the DGIII, there is an alternative.

I liked the DGIII as well, and will probably be a big fan of DGIV.  XR1 will fill in somewhere in between the very plain and
boring (and unrealistic) stock DG and the DG IV.

[Spence]

Firstly, I don't think we should class Kulch's TX in the same class as the dgs. If the larger version of the xr1 is released
we can compare it to the tx, but in general, te tx is a large transpoter craft and not a dg  replacement.
This scenario as been shown with the apollo addons as well. Both AMSO and Nassp are good, but NASSP is more
realistic, and most people want realism when trying to fly the apollo missions. Thing is, with the DGIV, the codes are
not an essential part of flight, unlike the dragonfly, and in general, the features of the dgiv are more fun than those of
the xr1 to your casual user. The dgiv is overall more friendly to the beginner user than the xr1 as the docking
autopilots of the dgiv are easier to master than manual dockings that you have to do with the xr1.
Overall, the dgiv is in fact more user friendly than the xr1, so I don't see which part of the spectrum is going to be
attracted to the xr1.

[computerex]

I am saddened to see, how rude people can get sometimes. We CANNOT compare the two spacecrafts. They are both unique in their
own ways, and have advantages over one another. Addon developers implement the stuff THEY want in an addon. XR-01's
complexity and realism just says that the author likes to do things realistically, while DGIV's ease of use says the author
prefers simplicity over realism. So the XR-01's strength lies in the realism, while the DGIV's strength lies in how easy to
use it is.  

Both of the authors worked very hard on these. XR is 10000 lines of code (if I remember correctly).
DG IV I bet is very close to this number.
 
"The DGIV floors the XR1 due to this. Given time, the XR1
may develop into something special-"

This is incredibly rude. Imagine how the author will feel while reading this thread.

Every varient of the old work horse has unique capabilities that the others lack. There is no way to compare them.

[Simonpro]

Spence wrote:
You've obviously not seen the top gear episode where they go to the isle of man. The porsche's more reliable and
faster.

Heh, actually both are german now, so I was wrong in my first point. Anyway, I never said the Porche wasn't faster - I
just said it wasn't fast. I have seen that top gear episode, though. But not even Clarkson shouting will persuade me
to like a pretend aston or a Porche, can't stand either of them.

[aus_pilot]

I've now flown both the XR1 and Dan's DGiv and I have to say they are bith excellent vessels. Are they the same? No, not
really, except for superficial visual similarities. The DGiv is IMO a slightly better general purpose flyer, as I find the
XR1 a little twitchy in atmospheric flight. But so far, that's they only real gripe I have about either.

And computerex, quite a few people here (yourself included I believe) don't speak English as their primary language, and not
everyone speaks English as well as they'd like (myself included) so maybe chill a little and leave a little to the translation..

To answer the OP, the DGiv will quite happily break up on re-entry or at any other point if you make a boo boo. And Dan is
lloking at adding a cargo bay in the next beta release..

[Pagir]

I flew all those delta glider and my first comment is: the "delta glider" general appearance seems to attract many
programmers...

The comparaison between the DGIV and the DG XR1 is inevitable: exact same look, many similarities, even in the
features. If each and every spacephip for Orbiter had those features, I wouldn't say a word. But, for instance, how
many spaceship can support a realistic heat reentry? How many have hoover doors? How many have a native
attitude mode for reentry? Only two (well, almost three with the DGIII).

So? I prefer the DGIV, but I will fly the DG XR1.

But it can be a good idea to make a little suggestion, altought I can't even imagine how to make a 3d model: sure,
other shapes of flyers exist out there!

Pagir

(from the french side, so no, english is not my primary language)

[Schimz]

Pagir a écrit:
the "delta glider" general appearance seems to attract many programmers...

Simple : it's a beautiful ship and it comes with sample code. The shape and code are very good base to make "something else".
The biggest good looking DG that I have shaped in 3d is 200m long and it can be stretched up to kilometers for SW style
(DeltaGliderTW ),

[aus_pilot]

One other thing I've noticed, is that the cockpit on the XR1 seems to be far more cluttered than the DGiv, and I'm not sure
it actually requires all that space.

Than again, Dan's been working on his DG for while and has had a chance to fiddle with the ergonomicsa of the conkpit,
whereas the XR1 is still quite new - maybe in future version's it mat become less cluttered.

[SCE TO AUX]

and it has nicer sounds

Of course, it's because of Dan that we have sound at all.

[Hubleman]

SCE TO AUX wrote:

and it has nicer sounds

Of course, it's because of Dan that we have sound at all.

Good point

[nakile64]

I've given both a run. I myself still like the DGIII. Like other members here said, it's more complete and a little more
entertaining then the XR 1.

Not to mention the DGIV looks like it will be the most advance Orbiter craft ever made. Nothing will reach what it's doing
for a long time.

[hfbldprince]

Hubleman wrote:
The Deltaglider XR 1 MK I has been released by Dough. Could this new deltaglider be a rival for Dan's deltaglider?? It
has all the features that Dan's deltaglider has, I would say it is almost a copy, I don't know about the skins but as I
have seen it is currently laking 2 features that Dan's deltaglider has :

1 The probability to desingtigrate in the atmostphere ( spellcheck that ) or blow the ship to pieces.

2 The option to eject your crew



So.................... what do you think about this?..................especially you Dan

how do you eject your crew?

[Quick_Nick]

Only DGIV can eject crew. If you have that, you should know how.

[Ghostrider]

I like the new DG, and I can't wait until DGIV comes out too but I don't see the need for a rivalry. IMMHO, the more
spacecraft we have to play with, the better. Deltagliders sure are well represented, it would be great to see some more
Shuttle-A and PB variants, too.

[DanSteph]

Agree, the more ship we have the more it's cool, once released one may also
play with DGIV and XR1 in same scenario, why not ? It add some variety.

Dan



Message modifié ( 09-03-2007 22:08 )