Future version of DGIII

[Shirson]

Try emulator
http://www.emulator3000.emuita.it/c3.htm

Or Kon-Tiki (beta) addon

http://www.geocities.com/levinkirill/Kon-Tiki/Kon-Tiki-v0.9b.zip
http://www.geocities.com/levinkirill/Kon-Tiki/KT-patch01.zip
http://www.geocities.com/levinkirill/Kon-Tiki/KT-patch02.zip
http://users.swing.be/vinka/spacecraft030115_021217.zip <- needs

[freespace2dotcom]

Odd. My normal emulation site doesn't have those emu proggys.

Definately worth the look.

Thankies!

[reekchaa]

I like your posted design, Shirson!  ..Reminds me of that Hiller Flying Platform of 1956 by A.C. Robertson.  
(yes, of course I just pulled that info outta my arse  )  

I imagine it could be a REALLY fun ship to fly..   Maybe like the 'teacups' ride at disneyland... a-spinnin and a-wobblin'
all over the place.  Of course, one well-placed gyro would fix THAT stiggy-wigget. (practicing up on my euro-speak)

I got a buncha crazy engineering ideas tucked away in my 'priceless ideas' briefcase I made 20 years back... I gotta
find it and see if any pass the 'realism' bar of today.

- Excuse my Sigi.. it's only temporary until Freespace admits his intellectual (or artistic) superiority -



Post Edited ( 09-03-04 06:10 )

[Shirson]

We a giga-offtopic-flooders gang

I'll return to my question about new generation of Dan's spaceships.
If needs a popular craft, that must be agile, not_a_big ship, for atmospheric and space fly, powerful for vertical take
off from Earth and interplanetary mission.

I think, ship must:
1 Flat-bottom for reentry
2 Wings for atmospheric fly
3 (not sure in eng term) Direct-Stream Jet (Linear-Stream Jet?) engine, that can use atmosphere like a reactive mass
4 Complex avionics
5 Useful and ergonomic panels
6 Unlike DG
7 ...?

[DocHoliday]

Hm.. That's hard. What you described basically IS the DG-III... it even has turbo pumps and air intakes, even though
that's not Direct stream jet.. I think you mean scramjet? uses the speed of air to create jet pressure for
combustion, yes?

[Shirson]

DocHoliday wrote:
I think you mean scramjet? uses the speed of air to create jet pressure for
combustion, yes?

Combustion? Who say "combustion?"
Engine with combustion never have high Isp, 4000-6000 m/s max. For high Isp, like DG (40000-50000 m/s), needs
nuclear engine.
Nuclear engine can use atmosphere instead fuel. Air come into active zone of reactor for heating. And flow out like jet
stream. In vacuun engine use fuel for propulsion.
Im Orbiter it may realized like low fuel consumption with high DNP.

(Sorry for my eng )

[DocHoliday]

Heh, combustions is when you have fuel, ignite it and use the power of explosion to move something. Even air itself,
so yeah, jet is combustion in my view

Hm, but I'm not familiar with a nuclear engine in connection to airflow..  How does that work? The reactor generates
heat itself, so if you put air with that, you cool it down, no? Unless you ignite the air somehow or add SOME kind of
fuel to it? what is in the exhaust? isotopes?? do you have any link on the net that explains it?

(Sorry for my eng )

hehe, you are Russian? Well I am Slovene. We could probably understand eachother well enough even in our own
languages. Except I don't read cyrillic that well anymore

Cheers oh um.. zdravo!

[Shirson]

DocHoliday wrote:
Heh, combustions is when you have fuel, ignite it and use the power of explosion to move something. Even air itself,
so yeah, jet is combustion in my view

For combustion (chemical engine) needs fuel + oxidizer. After ignition, fuel and oxidizer compound into oxide with heat
generation ( exothermic process). Heat accelerate oxide and we have jet-engine Oxidizer can be onboard (rockets)
or engine use air from enviroment (airplane). But, max jet stream speed for chemical engine - 6000 m/c (Be - fuel, F -
oxidizer), Kerosine-LOX(Liquid Oxigen) ~3660. LH2-LOX ~ 4200 m/s

Hm, but I'm not familiar with a nuclear engine in connection to airflow..  How does that work? The reactor generates
heat itself, so if you put air with that, you cool it down, no?

Yes And fuel specialy used for cooling reactor, otherwise reactor melt down. Heated fuel use for "move something"

Unless you ignite the air somehow or add SOME kind of
fuel to it? what is in the exhaust? isotopes??

Nope, heat air
Do you have coffee-machine? Its prototype of direct-stream nuclear engine
Cold water come into heater, vaporized and in vapor-state flow to tube.
Cold water - air
Heater - reactor
Tube - nozzle
Vapor - jet stream

Do you have any link on the net that explains it?

I now, Boeing research air-nuclear engine for american-answer-to-Concorde... but have no english links...
But i'll seach.

hehe, you are Russian?

Yep.

Well I am Slovene. We could probably understand eachother well enough even in our own
languages. Except I don't read cyrillic that well anymore

Moget byt, but i'll need practice in english  
In russian that engine called "praymotochniy yadernyi dvigatel"

Cheers oh um.. zdravo!

Privet

[DocHoliday]

Do you have coffee-machine? Its prototype of direct-stream nuclear engine

No, hehe.

Cold water come into heater, vaporized and in vapor-state flow to tube.
Cold water - air
Heater - reactor
Tube - nozzle
Vapor - jet stream

Okay, I think I understand, but how do you accelerate the air, after it's been heated..? You just push it into a funnel,
to increase it's speed?

In russian that engine called "praymotochniy yadernyi dvigatel"

hmm.. "linear (what is yadernyi - jet, fast, sail??) lifter"?

Okay, English it is then, chum!

[Shirson]

DocHoliday wrote:
Okay, I think I understand, but how do you accelerate the air, after it's been heated..?

I no needs to accelerate air - heat do this
Temperature is kinetic energy of particle. High temperature - high stream speed.
v=sqrt(2*kT/m)

In russian that engine called &quot;praymotochniy yadernyi dvigatel&quot;

hmm.. "linear (what is yadernyi - jet, fast, sail??[/quote]
nuclear

) lifter?

No. Dvigatel = engine. Linear nuclear jet engine... hmmm..

[DocHoliday]

DocHoliday wrote:
Okay, I think I understand, but how do you accelerate the air, after it's been heated..?

I no needs to accelerate air - heat do this
Temperature is kinetic energy of particle. High temperature - high stream speed.
v=sqrt(2*kT/m)
[/quote]
hm.. I was never any good with gases and temperature equations so if you increase deltaT and decrease mass (is
this mass of particles or airplane?), bang, you've got BIIIG velocity.. I like it.. but, but.. hm.. a nuclear reactor would
be a huge and heavy thing to haul on a plane... for the moment.

In russian that engine called &amp;quot;praymotochniy yadernyi dvigatel&amp;quot;

hmm.. "linear (what is yadernyi - jet, fast, sail??[/quote]
nuclear
[/quote]
*Doc slaps his forehead* But of course! Jedro, jedrski reaktor. Nuclear reactor..  

) lifter?

No. Dvigatel = engine. Linear nuclear jet engine... hmmm..
[/quote]
hehe, dvigati means to lift here, dvigatelj would then be a clumsy way of calling the person that lifts ) correct would
be dvigovalec (for a person) or dvigalo (for a machine).. engine would be motor, which you're probable also familiar
with. So -> Linear nuclear jet engine -> premoèrtni jedrski reakcijski motor

Cool

[Shirson]

DocHoliday wrote:
hm.. I was never any good with gases and temperature equations so if you increase deltaT and decrease mass (is
this mass of particles or airplane?), bang, you've got BIIIG velocity.. I like it.. but, but.. hm.. a nuclear reactor would
be a huge and heavy thing to haul on a plane... for the moment.

v=sqrt(2*kT/m)
V = Mean speed of gas particles
k - universal gas constant
T - thermodinamic temperature
m - molecular mass
Less m -> high speed.
High T -> high speed

*Doc slaps his forehead* But of course! Jedro, jedrski reaktor. Nuclear reactor..  

hehehe

hehe, dvigati means to lift here, dvigatelj would then be a clumsy way of calling the person that lifts ) correct
would
be dvigovalec (for a person) or dvigalo (for a machine).. engine would be motor, which you're probable also familiar
with. So -&gt Linear nuclear jet engine -&gt premoèrtni jedrski reakcijski motor

dvigalo -

ok

LNJE - Linear Nuclear Jet Engine.  (Approval. Stamp. Sign.)



Post Edited ( 09-03-04 16:05 )

[DocHoliday]

dvigalo

You just laugh. We call our elevators that

[Shirson.]

Draft mesh

[Krytom]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH8o8o8o8o8o8o8o

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH:)

[Shirson]

What?

[Atom]

I think what he means is, wow. That's some pretty nice modeling, and it's only a draft.

[Krytom]

Yup, exactly. Sorry
I like the door.

[UAF_Lt_Brenton]

I seem to remember making a post a while back about a version of KITT for Orbiter.  How's it going McDuck?

[Schimz]

Actually, it's not an official addon, it's just a (heavy ) tweakin' of the DG original mesh made with LightWave.



Post Edited ( 09-06-04 11:17 )

[bradz]

The doc hit it on the head in earlier response----

ability to add your own custom ISP and fuel levels
beyond the limits even 100,000 Kg or more.

Just like I have 273% N2 and 145% 02 at
the moment.
finally aproaching Pluto

[DocHoliday]

The doc hit it on the head in earlier response----

Okay, I'll shut up about it

Nice mesh shirson!

[UAF_Lt_Brenton]

What about KITT? Or the Delorean? How are they going Mcduck?

[Jim Lovell]

NAMUR ! It's my city !

But the good website is www.ville.namur.be

[She_Da_Lier]

Qute an ancient topic