Orbiter Solar Nations :)

[DocHoliday]

Hehe, my last post in the GUPT gave me an idea, so I will spill it out, so you can try it on for size...

Idea: There is what? About 10 who are regulars around here? And we are all supreme <instert favourite superlative>
veteran Orbinauts? So.. I was thinking of a nice little individual-collaborative exchange project.

A while ago, we all sort of claimed a planet/asteroid/system. Mine was Mars and you all know your respective
domains. So I propose we all build installations.. Custom bases, stations or station complexes and what-nots and
exchange them.. Perhaps one of us could set up a website where these "addons" could be collected and updated, so
we can all have the latest versions at all times... If you feel like it you could also upload it all to orbithangar or
another public site, but I feel this sort of project should stay between the DanSteph Forum Crew as others may not
appreciate the full background even though they might like the bases..

The rules? Hm..
1. I guess an application form would be proper - something along the lines of posting a message on this thread
stating your name, title, domain, actual and planned installations, potential disputes with "neighbours" (like me and
Freespace with our little Mars-Venus dispute) and any other comments or notes you wish to be known.. Possibly your
attitude, outlook on solar politics, plans for the future etc.
2. We are all independent at start unless we chose otherwise. (e.g. I cannot say Mars has annexed Venus, therefore
you are my subjugates from the onset) I can however say that I submit to Venus and shall be known as Venus'
Protectorate..
3. For the sake of (un)realism Earth shall be excluded as a possible domain, meaning none of us can claim Earth by
default. I am not saying we cannot conquer it later on.. But for now let us consider it neutral territory, accessible to
all, claimable by none.. In effect this means, we can all come and go to Earth as we please and also set up bases on
Earth itself, engange in trade, diplomacy and other peaceful activities, but cannot engage in any kind of military
activities up to an altitude of 100.000 km above surface. Think of it as it there is some SUPREME force preventing us
from claiming Earth...
4. You can opt to define your initial status as Earth Colony.. in which case you are considered "neutral" (think
Switzerland) and cannot be attacked as you will be defended by SUPREME Earth forces and lose by default. The
minute you declare war on someone or perform an agressive act, you lose the status and cannot reclaim it. Since
noone "represents" Earth here to grant you neutrality again
5. The purpose of simulation mainly is to populate our version of Orbiter at home with interesting bases and to get
some sort of immersion experience, knowing that when I got to the Asteroids I am in fact entering Dan's Asteroid
Confederacy, not merely a bunch of rocks being harassed by Jupiter for millenia..
5. The "simulation" starts once we agree on any other rules or ideas you wish to add.

What are your thoughts?

EDIT: Here are the current links of the forum and site, set up and maintained by Travis Reed, so you don't have to browse the WHOLE thread to find them:

OSN Forum: (currently off line, hopefully back in action soon)
OSN Website: http://www.vidmar.org/drupal



Post Edited ( 03-07-05 00:00 )

[DocHoliday]

For my part here is my application:

Name: Janez "DocHoliday" Vidmar

Faction: Global Space Initiative (was originally a space-exploration agency based on
Earth, but declared independence after establishing a foothold on Mars)

Title: President of Global Space Initiative, CEO of Phoenix Industries

Domain: Mars, HQ at GSI-HQ base at the approximate location of the ancient (stock)
Olympus  base

Flag (optional):



Actual installations:
 - GSI-HQ base (still under construction)
 - Apophis, a Clarke-class space station
 - IMPORTANT: I invite other faction to establish diplomatic and trade complexes on Mars! (otherwise Mars will have a rather boring landscape)

Planned installations: - Phobos deep space monitoring installation
 - Deimos mining facilites - using Lunar Mining Corporation equipment
 - Terres (Terra-Ares), a hybrid space station to be placed in Earth orbit for trading and refueling purposes

Fleet:
 - 3 DG3 class scouts
 - 5 Shuttle-A2 class light transports
 - 2 Clydesdale-class heavy freighters
 - 1 NX-01-class protoype starship
 - X Military hardware CLASSIFIED!

Border relations and disputes: tentative trade agreements with other organizations, uneasy relations
with Venus

Notes: I am considered a calm, diplomatic, yet greedy ruler. I rely on my sub-commanders and advisors
when it comes to tactics, but think of myself as quite competent in terms of strategic decisions. I also place high value
on espionage and information brokering. My foreign politics are based on trade, establishing alliances towards that
end and diplomatic negotiation to acquire new mineral and fuel resources in the Jovian system and outlying regions
of Sol System. GSI owns Phoenix Industries, a major manufacturer of vessel components and medium-class vessels.
Future plans include construction of a trade and defense fleet based on Cyldesdale and NX-01-class vessels with the
final goal or expanding to a neighbouring star system, the name of which I do not wish to disclose at this time.

Cheers



Post Edited ( 12-16-04 13:07 )

[Schimz]

Very cool idea, here's mine


Name: Schimz

Faction: His own

Title: Seul maître à bord après Dieu

Domain: An unregistered asteroïd

Actual installations:
- only one know installation : Kulch's Java spaceport

Fleet:
 - 2 DG3
 - 3 DGex prototypes : cargo, passengers and mining version
 - 3 Classified prototypes (surely the biggest ship for Orbiter )

Border relations and disputes: As freelancer SpaceTech developper : no relation at all (for avoiding
industrial spying)

Notes: For your security, stay away from my asteroïd !



Post Edited ( 12-16-04 15:25 )

[McBrain]

Cool!!!

My application:

Name: Daniel "McBrain" Kahlhöfer

Faction: Titanian Republic
Title: President of the Titanian Republic

Domain: Titan
Flag:



Actual installations:
 - Titan-HQ (actually a small, slightly modified standard base, consisting of a runway, a tower and a few hangars
 - TSS (a middle sized space station, consisting of an ISS-class station docked with my old Mars-Station )

Planned installations:
 - A bigger space station
 - A bigger ground base, maybe with surrounding terrain

Fleet:
 - 2 DGIII class passenger transporters / light freighters
 - 2 Helios Deep Space exploration space craft
 - 4 McBrain - SP01 SpaceBus shuttle craft

Notes: The Titanian Republic is a (yet) neutral colony on Saturn's moon Titan. The economy mainly consists of mining and trading.

The Titanian Republic hopes for working together well.

Regards,

  The president of the Titanian Republic

       McBrain

[andyman]

Err, as a Semi-Regular, I guess I will throw myself up as a freelancer. Or as a pilot for She'Da'Lier if he decides to
bring his LMC up as a faction.

[Atom]

Here I come:

Name: Atom

Faction: Europan Socialist Republic



Title: Primary Governmental Advisor of Europa (Permanent Posting)

Domains: Europa, Select Gas Mines on Jupiter

Fleet:
-10 Passenger DG IIIs (For Executive Travel)
-12 Prototype Armed DGIIIs (For Escort Duties)
-A Fleet of Shuttle A2s for Mining
-2 Helios Deep Space Exploration Craft
-5 Heavily Armed Vespucci Military Adaptions

Notes:After the first landing on Europa it was under the control of Earth. But after WWIII the colony on Europa
was left and it became independent. A Socialist Rupublic was put into power, in which the Republican government remains but
the people follow a fair and impressive version of the Communist system. After that it's economy continued to grow and so did
it's population. It is still just a small independant government, but has a strong economy and a relativly strong military. I
am but an advisor to the government, but I do have alot of power from this position.

[Atom]

The ESR declares that the planet Juptiter shall be an open resource, but under Europan trade laws and with a small trade fee.
There will be a Europan military presence to keep the peace, the ESR has sent one of it's Vespucci cruisers to enforce this
decision and to police the area. The ESR takes claim to no other celestial body in the Jovian system.

Atom (Primary Governmental Advisor of Europa)

(With more people this should be fun).

[gundamking]

crap im no where near a regular.....yet

[She'Da'Lier]

Name: Pawel "She'Da'Lier" Stiasny
Faction: She'Da'Lier space enterprise (owner of LMC and SDL space freight)
Title: Head Lord of SDL space enterprise

Domain: None, occupies moon, home base: Aletes, moon

Flag (optional): Coming up

Actual installations:
-Aletes base
-Lunar mining stations

Planned installations:
-Lunar modular station (orbital)
-Earth depot (orbital)

Fleet:
- 2 DG3 (Tycho, Galileo), maybe one more upcoming
- 2 shuttle A2's (upcoming)
- Europe-class freighter
- DGTransport
- DeltaFighter

Border relations and disputes: some GSI trade relations

Notes: SDL space enterprise is a new developing enterprise, including Lunar Mining Corporation and She'Da'Lier's
space freight. It is not owner of moon, however it has it's bases on it. It's quite neutral federation with most of it's
command in space (SDL freight). I'm not a veteran on Dan's forum, although I gained a senior level on main forum
and I hope my application will be accepted.

[She_Da_Lier]

Sorry, I forgot to log in.
Anyway, andyman, thanks for your proposition.
I thought it will reach that level at some time. Maybe we could have some advanced "menagement site" so we can
upload parts of the addon and then download the whole one?? hm?

[freespace2dotcom]

Name: Initials are "DPA" but just call him freespace, dammit.

Faction: Venusian Free-Space Cartel (constitutional monarchy)

Title: Just "freespace" (he hates formalities) but generic "lord" titles are commonly used.

Domain: Venus

Flag:



Actual installations:
- Freespacia, (a city) on the peak of (and within) Maxwell Montes
- Amaterasu, a One-of-a-kind multi-purpose space station
- IMPORTANT: While I do not encourage the building of foreign installations on Venus, permission will be granted if
offer is lucrative.

Planned installations:
- Venusian Space Defense Initiative, a network of strategically placed weapons and other defensive installations
orbiting Venus.
- Solar Colossal Shipyards, capable of producing various ships of any caliber. (also orbiting Venus)

Fleet:
- 2 DG3 class scouts
- 4 Shuttle-A2 class light transports
- 4 Clydesdale-class heavy freighters
- 2 Vespucci-class cruisers
- 1 FS-01-class protoype jumpship (under construction)
- Remaining military hardware CLASSIFIED!

Border relations and disputes: Uneasy relations with Mars, engaging talks with Earth for bigger influx of colonists.
neutral with all powers.

Notes: While normally prefering to deal with domestic issues, I have been known to be opportunistic while abroad. I
am normally unswayed by the political climate unless Venusian interests are at stake. Despite Venus having a blatant
monarchy, the people enjoy a powerful, if not dominating (although physically bulky) currency of electrum.
Venus is also noted for being the only planet to still use traditional units of measurement. While a bold move, it has
saved venus more than once, as shown during the conflict of '03, when martian marines unfamiliar with the units
accidentally blew up the cruiser they had captured after the orignal crew had safely escaped. My foreign policy is
strictly one to increase Venus' standing amongst the planets, while not interloping in other's affairs. Future plans
include the creation of large merchant and military defense fleets, as well as completely terraforming venus.



Post Edited ( 01-04-05 12:51 )

[andyman]

When is this, perhaps 2104?

[DocHoliday]

Yup, something like that.. 2104 sounds nice..

GSI President's Public Communiques:

To Maître Shimz: I request you decalre your faction name for the record. I'm just curious.

To Prime Atom: Socialists eh? You sport a lot of weaponry for a well-working orderly state. Neat choice though. We
shouldn't all be filthy capitalists. (SUPPLEMENTAL: GSI has plans to build a mining installation at Ganymede for fuel component extration, I trust that will not present a problem?)

To Lord Freespace: That one is still a sore spot with my marines, but explain to me how I should know 1 meter per
second is equal to 3x^2+3x-134 venusian feet/cycle??? Or 1 (simple) kg is equal to log(2x+8) venusian
ounces... I mean they are marines. They ain't paid to be smart And they did manage to effectively dispose of one of
your cruiser nonetheless. It did please me to see your own military make a bloody hard (mildly put) landing over at
phobos for precisely the same reasons

To Gundamking: No matter if you're not regular. However it might be wise to wait until the "regulars" declare their
domains, otherwise you might end up in an immediate dispute. They are bound to take offense as they've probably
claimed them before you:) But there is still plenty of space available. I do believe Mercury is free. Rather useful planet
for metallurgy, and energy production (both solar as well as fusion fuel cells?)

To Lord She'Da'Lier: The Shuttle-A2s your ordered are due to arrive out of shipyards next week and will be delivered to the Moon. I would like to requst a few of your excellent miners to be used for my mining purposes on the moons of Mars and at Ganymede. What would you like in return?

- Transmission Ends -

Post Edited ( 12-17-04 09:05 )

[DocHoliday]

She_Da_Lier wrote:
I thought it will reach that level at some time. Maybe we could have some advanced "menagement site"
so we can upload parts of the addon and then download the whole one?? hm?

That's the idea. My web provider hosts all kinds of PHP scripts. I'll have a looksie if anything is useful and when I get
cable I can set up a test site... right now I'm offline at home

I'm not sure how to implement "upload parts of the addon and then download the whole one" though.. You mean like
upload a skin or base and then have the website add it to a .zip? Can you do that?

Meawhile if you (or anyone else) find a solution I'm all for it. Dan could have a site like that up in a few days, but he's
probably to busy.

What would we need for a site?
- upload/download
- screenshots
- possibly forum?? (yet another one!)
- polls
- some kind of stats
- what else?

[She_Da_Lier]

President of G.S.I.:
I believe the shuttle's you're building are enough payment for mining stations, altough it would be good if you would wait
for final release (I believe as soon as shuttles arrive)
ad. menagement site: Maybe we should create "accounts" for users who applicated, and then they would upload list of bases (on
each planet) as text (eg. copy and paste to text field), as well as upload important parts like meshes, modules, configs, and
then some script would put it together. Possible? I believe so, although I have no idea about web programing

[DocHoliday]

She_Da_Lier wrote:
ad. menagement site: Maybe we should create "accounts" for users who applicated, and then they would
upload list of bases (on each planet) as text (eg. copy and paste to text field), as well as upload important parts like
meshes, modules, configs, and then some script would put it together. Possible? I believe so, although I have no idea
about web programing

That's generally what I meant. You make a base or a custom station or something completely new (like you) and you
pack it up as an addon (in a ZIP for example) and then upload. The other can then download your addon and install it
and if a while we will all have more or less the same "universe"

Of course for simple things that require no meshes, like scenarios or bases using standard components, you could
also just post the text..

Account are of course necessary. It will be interesting because you will have both your own bases and other people's
work and they will have yours and it will all be part of the same "story". Unlike with general addons who are
separate things. You can appreciate the architecture of other "cultures"

The problem though it that I don't make my own meshes, so I usually use other people's work. For example I'm
building my Mars base with parts from Kulch's space elevator addon so I should probably get his permission before I
upload it... I'm just redecorating But there are so many custom parts made now, that there are infinite possible
combinations!

Cheers,

[She_Da_Lier]

Oh... well.... maybe.... ask Vash??

[freespace2dotcom]

DocHoliday wrote:

To Lord Freespace: That one is still a sore spot with my marines, but explain to me how I should know 1 meter per
second is equal to 3x^2+3x-134 venusian feet/cycle??? Or 1 (simple) kg is equal to log(2x+8) venusian
ounces... I mean they are marines. They ain't paid to be smart And they did manage to effectively dispose of one of
your cruiser nonetheless. It did please me to see your own military make a bloody hard (mildly put) landing over at
phobos for precisely the same reasons

meh. you don't have to know conversion rates. all you have to do is know how to work with the current system that
you're using. I won't say that venus doesn't use metric thingamajigs, because you'd be a fool to not know how to
work with them when the rest of the system does. however, having your own system for use is very handy, as an
enemy's tools won't fit your parts, etc, etc.

But us venusians have both metric and traditional tools. (just as the US, as it is today, does) But I'll ensure
Venus doesn't go beyond that. We're pretty much self sufficient. probably the most so out of all the domains, so we
have no need, nor desire to metricate.

And I'll have you know, my military's landing was rather rough, but that was because of the weapons being fired
upon them, and not the units that they were using. (their escape pods were entirely non-metric, you know..)

[She_Da_Lier]

Our flag:

[DocHoliday]

Nice! I suggest "Enterprises" since you're probably working on many projects

Freespace: Sorry, next time you invade, I'll just have my marines shoot up little pieces of paper with harsh language
on them..

Well in any even it is now standard practice for our military to learn the ways of Venusians however non-metric they
may be In case you decide you need to scrap a cruiser or two ...  At least you don't have to deal with moon
phases If you thought people are acting weird at full moon, you should see the Martian sleepwalkers Not to
mention the calendar, it's a mess... How do you define a month if the potato moons zip over the sky like there were
free givaways at Mars-mart...

Cheers

[DocHoliday]

Oh, hehe, for those of you, who are new to this and are wondering what a hell we are on about, here's a bit of Solar
History. After the great solar conflict, a peace treaty was signed and since then factions didn't really interact much.
Time to change that. Here's the treaty (I'm rather proud of this design):



(Well, yeah, we're totally nuts and BORED)

Well according to this at least DanSteph (Asteroid Belt Confederatio), schumanna (Chiron, I believe), Krytom (Uranus)
and Shmi (LaGrange Science Station Alpha) are still to apply

Well, schumanna is off in Ireland, so it's doubtful he'll have time for this, heh. And I haven't heard from Shmi in a while.

Cheers,

[freespace2dotcom]

Ah, good 'ol Dan... I always get a laugh when I look at that seal of his.

It's just so cool.

I see though that you updated my "flame" sigi with the "first living legend" sigi.

looks much better in monochrome.

[DanSteph]

What's happening here ?

I hope NOBODY want to mess again with the powerfull
asteroid belt confederatio ?






Post Edited ( 12-17-04 18:00 )

[Atom]

Could my signiture be updated? Please.

[canadave]

### MESSAGE BEGINS ###

COMMUNIQUE TO THE SOLAR NATIONS ON BEHALF OF THE PLUTONIAN REPUBLIC

We apologize for the delayed nature of this message (because we are on the outskirts of the solar system,
communications are difficult, especially if the person delivering the message decided to go play on the computer for a
few days before passing the message along to us).  However, it has just come to our attention that there is a
political dialogue beginning to take shape among the Solar Nations, and we of the Plutonian Republic are interested
in joining these discussions.

This communique is restricted to text at this time due to bandwidth restrictions (namely, our inkjet printer is down
and we only have a dot matrix backup working), so we cannot yet provide you with our flag.  However, here is the
relevant data you have required:

Name: Dave "canadave" Keen

Title: President, Plutonian Republic

Domain: Pluto and Charon.  You should know right now that we intend to pursue ownership claims on objects
beyond our orbit (Oort Cloud, Kuiper belt, etc)
 
Flag: TBA as noted earlier--will be provided within the next few days.

Actual installations:
--Cities: New Edmonton (pop: 1,179) on the surface of Pluto; Port Resolute (pop: 203) on the surface of Charon.
--Bases: Landing pads on both Pluto and Charon.

Planned installations:
--Orbiting space station, possibly dual-orbiting Pluto/Charon.

Fleet:
- 2 DG3 class
- 1 Shuttle-A2
- Several personal "taxi" spacecraft (primarily for commute between Pluto and Charon)

Border relations and disputes: None as of yet.

Notes: The Plutonian Republic desires peace above all else, but will defend itself vigourously against attacks.  The
leader, Dave Keen, is known as being tough but fair above all, and a passionate believer in justice and truth.  We
note with only a slight amount of irritation that the multilateral peace treaty does not include our Republic; this is obviously an oversight and
misunderstanding, as we no doubt were overlooked due to our extreme distance.  This distance notwithstanding, the
Plutonian Republic wants to maintain relations with our inner system brethren, and we look forward to a meaningful
dialogue with all member states to advance our mutual interests.

Economy: WATER trade is the basis of our economy, along with some mining and freight hauling.

Science: The Pluto/Charon system is an ideal platform for astronomical research, because we're so much closer to the
galactic objects astronomers want to observe than the rest of the solar system! (Hmmm...my scientific adviser is
whispering something in my ear...I'll have to get back to you on that).

Thank you, and peace to all.

### MESSAGE ENDS ###



Post Edited ( 12-17-04 18:39 )