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Title: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Chally on 18 February 2017, 19:49:13
Hi

I see no sign of Dan. No answers, nothing. That's pretty bad way to treat community.

I think an explanation is due...just that.

CS.
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: StarLost on 19 February 2017, 03:03:14
Ah, no.  If the history of Orbiter is anything to go by, Dan may be quietly working on an update but will only release a "quality" product ... which has always been worth the wait. While there is an "official" release of Orbiter 2016, a quick scan of the activity of Orbiter 2016 Beta shows that the current product is probably not sufficiently stable enough to warrant anything other than superficial treatment, certainly not conducive of a quality product that would please no-one.

As to "an explanation is due" ... perhaps a polite query would have been more appropriate, rather than the Trumpian tone that was employed. Certainly a pretty bad way to treat a community that you are just introducing yourself to.
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Chally on 19 February 2017, 19:35:10
In other words, you don't know, like everyone else. But thanks for the reply!

Yes, ok, I can understand your reasoning why no updates have been released, but why no communication from him? It's been a year, and ...nothing?! That is just puzzling.

Perhaps a little rude, not intentional. But then why you use the word "Trumpian". It's an unnecessary reference to politics!
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: ceman on 22 February 2017, 15:19:25
Ah, no.  If the history of Orbiter is anything to go by, Dan may be quietly working on an update but will only release a "quality" product ... which has always been worth the wait. While there is an "official" release of Orbiter 2016, a quick scan of the activity of Orbiter 2016 Beta shows that the current product is probably not sufficiently stable enough to warrant anything other than superficial treatment, certainly not conducive of a quality product that would please no-one.

As to "an explanation is due" ... perhaps a polite query would have been more appropriate, rather than the Trumpian tone that was employed. Certainly a pretty bad way to treat a community that you are just introducing yourself to.
so as far as helping the orbiter 2016 client along are we just supposed to test shit and send bug reports? who do we send bug reports to. the faster the kinks in o2016 are worked out the faster i can come back to orbiter from ksp cuz MUH ADDONS ;P. lmk.

Post Merge: 22 February 2017, 15:20:41
In other words, you don't know, like everyone else. But thanks for the reply!

Yes, ok, I can understand your reasoning why no updates have been released, but why no communication from him? It's been a year, and ...nothing?! That is just puzzling.

Perhaps a little rude, not intentional. But then why you use the word "Trumpian". It's an unnecessary reference to politics!
dude dansteph is around i posted in the french forums with him a month or so ago. hes obviously working on it but as original responder wrote, hes the type that works on it quietly. you have to remember how long it took the first few times. and o2016 w/ collision adds a lot of complexity for every single modder interacting with terrain in their mod.
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: jgrillo2002 on 10 March 2017, 20:42:50
In other words, you don't know, like everyone else. But thanks for the reply!

Yes, ok, I can understand your reasoning why no updates have been released, but why no communication from him? It's been a year, and ...nothing?! That is just puzzling.

Perhaps a little rude, not intentional. But then why you use the word "Trumpian". It's an unnecessary reference to politics!
Stop baiting the topic and turning it into a flame war. its not needed here. now with your question. Dan is around. He has a real life and you need to give him a break. if you are too impatient for a release of this addon which he spends his free time on, then play something else.
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: n122vu on 28 April 2017, 20:39:25
It's been a year, and ...nothing?! That is just puzzling.

Orbiter 2016 was officially released on August 30.  It's only been six months this Sunday.  As was mentioned, 2016 was a MAJOR upgrade that added terrain collision.  This completely changes the way UMMU and UCGO interact with planet surfaces, so it's going to take Dan a lot longer than previous releases to update the code to the newest version of Orbiter.  Add to the fact that Dan has a real life, and develops commercial software for a living, and it's no surprise an update hasn't been released yet. 

Want to help him out?  Spend $25 USD and go buy FSX: Steam Edition, then run and spend $29.95 Euro and buy FS Passengers.  Put some food on his family's table instead of ripping the guy for not giving you a free handout when and how you demand it. 
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: SCEtoAUX on 28 April 2017, 20:46:45
Absolutly right, well said
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: jacquesmomo on 28 April 2017, 22:32:14
Absolutly right, well said
I also agree with you ...  ;)
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Ripley on 30 April 2017, 02:05:58
Well said n122vu!
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: jgrillo2002 on 30 April 2017, 16:53:49
couldn't have said it better. This guy needs a suspension at least
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: StarLost on 02 May 2017, 02:56:26
couldn't have said it better. This guy needs a suspension at least

I don't think so, guys. Every time we have had a substantial change to  Orbiter some "new" member starts whining for Dan's updates. They have no sense of the history of the project or of the requirements of a superior product.

Always best to just pat them on the head and recommend patience ... unless, of course, they really are just intending to start a flame war ... and we have had experience of that, haven't we?

Still, I have some hopes for the updates.  Uh, Dan, any chance we can get a copy of the source code for the Frelon? Or an update of it? It's always been my favourite craft.
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: freespace2dotcom on 05 May 2017, 22:05:14
Tisk tisk. And to think that it took several years to see the update to orbiter 2016. That someone could suddenly update their  own end of code to that in a few months is a bit delusional, especially since this is a free program through and through.

Honestly I'm just happy Dansteph is still working on this considering it's been over a decade since I joined the forums here. Give the man a break.
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Face on 06 May 2017, 13:00:41
Given that Dan did a fine job with the vessel-library used to late-bind to his middle-ware sound (and UMmu) DLLs, I think it should be quite feasible to replace the later binaries with an open alternative. So everybody unhappy with Dan's schedule is certainly more than welcome to do just that.

In addition to filling one's own needs, this would also light the competition spark in the corresponding feature areas again, so more regular releases might be a natural result, too.
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: ceman on 13 August 2017, 01:29:26
It's been a year, and ...nothing?! That is just puzzling.

Orbiter 2016 was officially released on August 30.  It's only been six months this Sunday.  As was mentioned, 2016 was a MAJOR upgrade that added terrain collision.  This completely changes the way UMMU and UCGO interact with planet surfaces, so it's going to take Dan a lot longer than previous releases to update the code to the newest version of Orbiter.  Add to the fact that Dan has a real life, and develops commercial software for a living, and it's no surprise an update hasn't been released yet. 

Want to help him out?  Spend $25 USD and go buy FSX: Steam Edition, then run and spend $29.95 Euro and buy FS Passengers.  Put some food on his family's table instead of ripping the guy for not giving you a free handout when and how you demand it.
wait he works on FSX? wouldve bought it long ago just as a thanks for orb 2010 addons. i just hope hes okay. i know hes french, and i dont know where in france he lives but certain parts are pretty fucked up. the political situation is not great there either. in any case i just hope hes working on it. are there any alternatives temporarily to use for EVA or UCGO atm for 2016? ive downloaded the new orb but still using 2010 so i can do evas on the moon. it never gets old. use collision plus orulex sometimes but hate the glitchiness :P
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: StarLost on 13 August 2017, 02:29:07
wait he works on FSX? wouldve bought it long ago just as a thanks for orb 2010 addons. i just hope hes okay. i know hes french, and i dont know where in france he lives but certain parts are pretty fucked up. the political situation is not great there either. in any case i just hope hes working on it. are there any alternatives temporarily to use for EVA or UCGO atm for 2016? ive downloaded the new orb but still using 2010 so i can do evas on the moon. it never gets old. use collision plus orulex sometimes but hate the glitchiness :P

I do believe the esteemed gentleman is Swiss. You will have noted that, indeed, Orbiter2016 was released quite some time ago but it really is still in beta stage. There is continuing development going on. Historically, Dan has delayed until a complete, stable version is available. There really is no sense doing a side development on a product that is reasonably frequently changing ( just look at all of the beta revision versions there have been).

If you are also an FS fan, I think you will love his offerings there, too. Well worthy of support.
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: ceman on 13 August 2017, 05:21:32
wait he works on FSX? wouldve bought it long ago just as a thanks for orb 2010 addons. i just hope hes okay. i know hes french, and i dont know where in france he lives but certain parts are pretty fucked up. the political situation is not great there either. in any case i just hope hes working on it. are there any alternatives temporarily to use for EVA or UCGO atm for 2016? ive downloaded the new orb but still using 2010 so i can do evas on the moon. it never gets old. use collision plus orulex sometimes but hate the glitchiness :P

I do believe the esteemed gentleman is Swiss. You will have noted that, indeed, Orbiter2016 was released quite some time ago but it really is still in beta stage. There is continuing development going on. Historically, Dan has delayed until a complete, stable version is available. There really is no sense doing a side development on a product that is reasonably frequently changing ( just look at all of the beta revision versions there have been).

If you are also an FS fan, I think you will love his offerings there, too. Well worthy of support.
ah okay. yeah thanks for letting me know about the FSX stuff. i just assumed he was french because of the default language as well as the posts on the orbiter francophone board during the french presidential and US elections. :p. my mistake. im glad hes in a safer country in Europe than france then XD.
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: StarLost on 15 August 2017, 02:36:53
I believe Switzerland has three official languages (German, French and Italian). I suppose the dominant language in each area of Switzerland depends on how close you live to the borders.
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Gingin on 15 August 2017, 09:34:28
Hey Ceman, France is ok actually, we are not living in bunker or in civil war ahah.

Dont watch to much basics news ;)
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Edy on 15 August 2017, 19:58:28
I believe Switzerland has three official languages (German, French and Italian). I suppose the dominant language in each area of Switzerland depends on how close you live to the borders.

Not three but four official languages: Français, Deutsch, Italiano and Rumantch.
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: DanSteph on 19 August 2017, 07:52:51
Hi all,

I'm fine, live actually in Geneva/switzerland but I'm surrounded by work for my addon for P3D v4 which will take month and also starlost has the point here (http://orbiter.dansteph.com/forum/index.php?topic=13936.msg211453#msg211453).

Cheers

Dan
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: DocHoliday on 19 August 2017, 09:04:05
 :eek:

 :turning:
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/959/170/04d.jpg)
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Pappy2 on 19 August 2017, 13:00:29
Hi all,

I'm fine, live actually in Geneva/switzerland but I'm surrounded by work for my addon for P3D v4 which will take month and also starlost has the point here/url].

Cheers

Dan
 (http://orbiter.dansteph.com/forum/index.php?topic=13936.msg211453#msg211453)

Bonjour Dan
Merci pour tes nouvelles
A bientôt de te revoir sur le forum  :eek:
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: FRED_80 on 19 August 2017, 16:00:04
 :top:
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: jacquesmomo on 21 August 2017, 00:36:56
Hi all,
I'm fine, live actually in Geneva/switzerland but I'm surrounded by work for my addon for P3D v4 which will take month and also starlost has the point here/url].
Cheers
Dan
 (http://orbiter.dansteph.com/forum/index.php?topic=13936.msg211453#msg211453)

Bonjour Dan
Merci pour tes nouvelles
A bientôt de te revoir sur le forum  :eek:

(https://www.surlatoile.com/smileys/repository/Content/coucou6.gif)  ;)
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: DanSteph on 22 August 2017, 00:01:15
Hey all 'ol friends :beer:
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Maxorbiter on 22 August 2017, 01:46:44
Dan is back ! Well I hope ! :badsmile:
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: jgrillo2002 on 23 August 2017, 06:21:21
Good to see you again, Dan. Im guessing you took a little R&R?
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Ripley on 31 August 2017, 00:05:21
Nice to see you still hanging around here Dansteph!
 :beer:

...Historically, Dan has delayed until a complete, stable version is available...
Well...Not meaning to push Dan or whatever (he decides what to work on)...but the stable Orbiter2016 version has been released a year ago.
Of course we all know Orbiter development is a hobby and Dan (not only him!) prefers to work on something that pays him off, I don't blame him for his choice.

Martin meanwhile keeps on developing his betas with his own pace, and (hopefully) he'll never stop doing it, but this doesn't mean there is not a "complete, stable, released Orbiter version".

Cheers.
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: freespace2dotcom on 02 September 2017, 21:47:38
It would be nice to see a new orbiter sound eventually. No rush, Dan. Just be sure to be online enough so we can occasionally give you a good ribbing. ;)
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Maxorbiter on 03 September 2017, 05:18:13
I wonder what music will succed to "Air on a G string" and "calm-space" in OrbiterSounds 5.0. :badsmile:
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: DocHoliday on 03 September 2017, 07:50:32
I vote for "Steppenwolf - Magic Carpet Ride" :)
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: freespace2dotcom on 03 September 2017, 08:59:41
I see you're a First Contact fan, doc, but my vote would go to "Also Sprach Zarathustra"

2001 odyssey all the way! ;)
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Maxorbiter on 03 September 2017, 14:45:47
I would prefer "Gayane Ballet Suite Adagio" but I am 100% that it is copyrighted. Why ? Because I made a video with it and YouTube gave me a warning and put pub on the video, all the money will go to "Warner Music Group" ... :wall:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-9VdUlZsW4

Do they really need this money ? :wonder:  (They will not even have 1$ with the views I make :badsmile:)

And "Also Sprach Zarathustra" in not enough calm to be used I think. (I dont think you understood what I said, I dont know how to explain it :badsmile:)

In the 2001 range, we have just one choice left ... "The Blue Danube" ! :eek:
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: freespace2dotcom on 04 September 2017, 10:50:58
I Prefer Zarathustra for it's opening. A bit bombastic but honestly it's just so iconic.

But you know, if you're looking for a 'calm' replacement, I've always had a soft spot for "Chopin's Nocturne No  2 in E-Flat Major" Just find a version with a slower tempo.

Edit: This one is pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E6b3swbnWg
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Maxorbiter on 04 September 2017, 16:36:31
I Prefer Zarathustra for it's opening. A bit bombastic but honestly it's just so iconic.

But you know, if you're looking for a 'calm' replacement, I've always had a soft spot for "Chopin's Nocturne No  2 in E-Flat Major" Just find a version with a slower tempo.

Edit: This one is pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E6b3swbnWg

Yeah, it is a pretty good music that could work great with Orbiter. :top: And I think it had some similarities to "Air on a G string", a music I prefer by far to the OS 4.0 music. :love:
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Lawjedi on 17 October 2017, 01:12:08
Very thankful for Dan's work.  How can we be of support?
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Sparky on 03 November 2017, 04:52:27
Very thankful for Dan's work.  How can we be of support?

If you would like to support Dan, he is the developer of an (essential IMO) addon for FS2004, FSX, P3D, and FSX:SE called "FSPassengers" which allows you to assume the role of an airline manager/pilot. Its not super realistic with the roles you play, but its very fun and a new way to "play" the flight sim as you get rewards/penalties depending on how well or poorly you perform during your flight. And with funds you earn through your flights you can upgrade your fleet of planes; start with a Cessna172 and move all the way up to heavies like the 747, A380, 777, and A350.
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Chally on 30 December 2017, 16:29:50
I'm embarrassed now that to see my rude question at the top of the discussions. Well, community members quite rightly put me in my place.

I wanted to add that I'd be prepared to pay for Dan's work if he were to resume it. I'd certainly donate if he offered the opportunity. That's one way to support him.

I heard a rumour that Dan considers Orbiter 2016 to be too unstable to work with? If so, then the future does not look bright.
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: corondal on 13 August 2018, 11:39:58
When will there be the much desired update? Hopefully soon :)  :love: :wor:
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: StarLost on 15 August 2018, 01:32:17
Answered so frequently before. Please search.
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: corondal on 15 August 2018, 17:11:47
there someone does not recognize humor or excitement: P  :)
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: corondal on 26 January 2019, 17:16:42
Any news about Dan oder an Update? Missing these things alot in Orbiter'16
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Face on 27 January 2019, 09:50:25
Perhaps it is too hard for you to use the forum's search feature, so here is a small summary about what we know so far: Dan is waiting for a stable Orbiter version (the current one has some bugs and problems) before he releases new versions of his stuff. He is also concentrating on his commercial work. There is no hint that this stance changed.

On a funny note, I have the feeling that every new "where are the updates" post postpones the release for additional 2 month. :D
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: Snax on 28 January 2019, 00:48:47
We could have a counter each time that question is asked lol
Title: Re: Where is Dan? Where are the Updates?
Post by: jacquesmomo on 28 January 2019, 11:13:48
We could have a counter each time that question is asked lol
:badsmile:
 :doubt: